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The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. I am invoking NOTAVOTE here. While the Keep !votes are more numerical I am unimpressed by the WP:PAG basis of their arguments. That said there is only one comment supporting deletion and that is not enough to establish consensus even in the face of the rather weak Keep arguments. After three relists it's time to move on. Ad Orientem ( talk) 03:00, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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As the article creator said on creation, there is only one source (in Japanese). Now there are a couple more, but none, including the Japanese one, pass WP:RS. Arrangers are rarely notable, and there's no evidence of non-trivial coverage of this one. Guy ( Help!) 07:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Which sources doesn't pass WP:RS? Which one is reliable? What other informations you need in order to keep this page alive? Thank you!
( Qucipuci0)
- Keep This page could prove useful to listeners of Japanese music and the references are decently diverse. ₪Rickn Asia₪ 09:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- See WP:USEFUL. The issue is sourcing, not whether it's interesting or not. Guy ( Help!) 16:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- As Rickinasia user said, for such main reason I created an article about Masao Akashi. I didn't include information in bio more than what's available and verifiable. Instead, I made list of involved artist bigger because that's where I have more confidence with. --- ( Qucipuci0)
- Keep. Played bass for B'z and arranged or produced for many extremely notable bands. As an aside, this might be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but Category:Japanese music arrangers, Category:American music arrangers, etc. seem to indicate that arrangers are often notable. Dekimasu よ! 19:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- What other source I must add for this page being kept and not be anymore in list of deleted? So far I add sources are all what I asked from my japanese friends. --- ( Qucipuci0)
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- Delete - Unlike composers, music arrangers are usually not notable. There are surely exceptions, but don't think this is one of them. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 20:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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- KEEP Masao Akashi formed his own band under name "Masao Akashi Band"(MAB ref. from onwards) and was active in years 1996-1998. Here is proof.
http://web.archive.org/web/20001120215900/http://www.jin.ne.jp:80/jack3/disco3.htm --- here is his profile http://web.archive.org/web/20001120215900/http://www.blue-z.co.jp/Akashi.html under discography list you can see "MAB profile". they were signed under indies label blue-z records. and here is official profile from "MAB" profile http://web.archive.org/web/19991014020221/http://www.wao.or.jp:80/user/kirimura/AMG/akashi.html
This informations was available but I didn't have any source of it so I didnt include it earlier.
Stefka probably doesnt know how difficult is to obtain old informations in Japanese. I better speak out once situation is known instead of saying false statements. He's very popular in Japan. I also included on profile television appearance, i was lucky to find footage on net. Information if he made another appearance is difficult.
---( Qucipuci0)
- You continue to make arguments for deletion. The fact that it is difficult to find sources is an explanatio nf or why there are no sources to establish notability, not a reason for ignoring that fact. WP:POPULAR is likewise not a reason for keeping. Guy ( Help!) 17:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. I am invoking NOTAVOTE here. While the Keep !votes are more numerical I am unimpressed by the WP:PAG basis of their arguments. That said there is only one comment supporting deletion and that is not enough to establish consensus even in the face of the rather weak Keep arguments. After three relists it's time to move on. Ad Orientem ( talk) 03:00, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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As the article creator said on creation, there is only one source (in Japanese). Now there are a couple more, but none, including the Japanese one, pass WP:RS. Arrangers are rarely notable, and there's no evidence of non-trivial coverage of this one. Guy ( Help!) 07:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Which sources doesn't pass WP:RS? Which one is reliable? What other informations you need in order to keep this page alive? Thank you!
( Qucipuci0)
- Keep This page could prove useful to listeners of Japanese music and the references are decently diverse. ₪Rickn Asia₪ 09:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- See WP:USEFUL. The issue is sourcing, not whether it's interesting or not. Guy ( Help!) 16:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- As Rickinasia user said, for such main reason I created an article about Masao Akashi. I didn't include information in bio more than what's available and verifiable. Instead, I made list of involved artist bigger because that's where I have more confidence with. --- ( Qucipuci0)
- Keep. Played bass for B'z and arranged or produced for many extremely notable bands. As an aside, this might be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but Category:Japanese music arrangers, Category:American music arrangers, etc. seem to indicate that arrangers are often notable. Dekimasu よ! 19:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- What other source I must add for this page being kept and not be anymore in list of deleted? So far I add sources are all what I asked from my japanese friends. --- ( Qucipuci0)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - Unlike composers, music arrangers are usually not notable. There are surely exceptions, but don't think this is one of them. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 20:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty ( talk) 15:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 17:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- KEEP Masao Akashi formed his own band under name "Masao Akashi Band"(MAB ref. from onwards) and was active in years 1996-1998. Here is proof.
http://web.archive.org/web/20001120215900/http://www.jin.ne.jp:80/jack3/disco3.htm --- here is his profile http://web.archive.org/web/20001120215900/http://www.blue-z.co.jp/Akashi.html under discography list you can see "MAB profile". they were signed under indies label blue-z records. and here is official profile from "MAB" profile http://web.archive.org/web/19991014020221/http://www.wao.or.jp:80/user/kirimura/AMG/akashi.html
This informations was available but I didn't have any source of it so I didnt include it earlier.
Stefka probably doesnt know how difficult is to obtain old informations in Japanese. I better speak out once situation is known instead of saying false statements. He's very popular in Japan. I also included on profile television appearance, i was lucky to find footage on net. Information if he made another appearance is difficult.
---( Qucipuci0)
- You continue to make arguments for deletion. The fact that it is difficult to find sources is an explanatio nf or why there are no sources to establish notability, not a reason for ignoring that fact. WP:POPULAR is likewise not a reason for keeping. Guy ( Help!) 17:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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