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WP:NRIVALRY says "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable" and defers to
WP:GNG. GNG states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Currently there are zero citations which reference an existing rivalry, with the four current citations citing the desire to both create a trophy and a rivalry. So rivalry claim is not currently established. Searches do not return significant coverage in independent sources to meet GNG standards ("significant coverage"). Secondary (non-GNG) indicators of few historical matches and only 6 recent matches in the current Big Ten. Fails GNG, might be
WP:TOOSOON.
UW Dawgs (
talk)
02:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment there seem to be more articles about them trying to get a trophy for a manufactured rivalry. I don't care either way about whether this is kept or deleted, but it's clearly a "manufactured" rivalry.
SportingFlyertalk03:39, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment and questions. Interesting AfD. Not much history between them, but I don't think it's so much a "manufactured" rivalry as having been forced on them: They are the newbies in the Big Ten and also the two easternmost schools (180 miles from each other and many hundreds of miles from the rest of the conference). It seems inevitable that, if it hasn't happened already, this will develop into a true rivalry. Who else does Rutgers have as a rival? The
Princeton–Rutgers rivalry has been defunct for almost 40 years. Does every FBS school warrant at least one current rivalry article? I'm not sure, but if so, Maryland is Rutgers' only option.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:10, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
It's "manufactured" in the sense the schools are trying to create a trophy amongst themselves, as opposed to having a natural rivalry develop. FBS schools don't warrant current rivalry articles unless they pass
WP:GNG, and there's some talk about it since the schools are apparently trying really hard to make this a rivalry. It may get past
WP:GNG on that alone, since there's a number of sources which discuss it.
SportingFlyertalk21:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete for now. As noted above, I think this will inevitably evolve into a true rivalry, but the sources just aren't there yet to support it. Like the sources referenced by UW Dawgs, the sources I found on Newspapers.com (
here,
here, and
here) talk about a "potential" or "possible" rivalry developing in the future. Once it evolves sufficiently and/or if it becomes a trophy game, then I for one would be open to the article being re-created.
Cbl62 (
talk)
01:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete a few games in the past with two teams that now are in the same conference--this isn't a "rivalry" it's just a history. It could become a notable rivalry in the future, but just isn't there yet. At least, not that I can see.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
03:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
WP:NRIVALRY says "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable" and defers to
WP:GNG. GNG states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Currently there are zero citations which reference an existing rivalry, with the four current citations citing the desire to both create a trophy and a rivalry. So rivalry claim is not currently established. Searches do not return significant coverage in independent sources to meet GNG standards ("significant coverage"). Secondary (non-GNG) indicators of few historical matches and only 6 recent matches in the current Big Ten. Fails GNG, might be
WP:TOOSOON.
UW Dawgs (
talk)
02:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment there seem to be more articles about them trying to get a trophy for a manufactured rivalry. I don't care either way about whether this is kept or deleted, but it's clearly a "manufactured" rivalry.
SportingFlyertalk03:39, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment and questions. Interesting AfD. Not much history between them, but I don't think it's so much a "manufactured" rivalry as having been forced on them: They are the newbies in the Big Ten and also the two easternmost schools (180 miles from each other and many hundreds of miles from the rest of the conference). It seems inevitable that, if it hasn't happened already, this will develop into a true rivalry. Who else does Rutgers have as a rival? The
Princeton–Rutgers rivalry has been defunct for almost 40 years. Does every FBS school warrant at least one current rivalry article? I'm not sure, but if so, Maryland is Rutgers' only option.
Cbl62 (
talk)
19:10, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
It's "manufactured" in the sense the schools are trying to create a trophy amongst themselves, as opposed to having a natural rivalry develop. FBS schools don't warrant current rivalry articles unless they pass
WP:GNG, and there's some talk about it since the schools are apparently trying really hard to make this a rivalry. It may get past
WP:GNG on that alone, since there's a number of sources which discuss it.
SportingFlyertalk21:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete for now. As noted above, I think this will inevitably evolve into a true rivalry, but the sources just aren't there yet to support it. Like the sources referenced by UW Dawgs, the sources I found on Newspapers.com (
here,
here, and
here) talk about a "potential" or "possible" rivalry developing in the future. Once it evolves sufficiently and/or if it becomes a trophy game, then I for one would be open to the article being re-created.
Cbl62 (
talk)
01:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete a few games in the past with two teams that now are in the same conference--this isn't a "rivalry" it's just a history. It could become a notable rivalry in the future, but just isn't there yet. At least, not that I can see.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
03:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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