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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 23:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Martin Cooke (mayor)
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Cooke's only claim to notability is serving as mayor of Hoboken. This is a city that is neither of regional significance or significant enough population to justify being mayor of it grounds for establishing an individual's notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:04, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:NPOL, regional politicians rarely meet notability criteria. I don't see any evidence that this one does; only sources are obit and small mention in a news article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep the article meets the general notability guideline. An obituary on the New York Times connotes notability not the office held. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep As a major local political leader, with ample coverage in reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability. Despite its size, Hoboken punches far above its weight, drawing a disproportionate level of coverage from New York City and New Jersey newspapers, as evidenced here and in the article for the present mayor, Dawn Zimmer. Hoboken and its docks / railyards / location across the Hudson River from Manhattan makes its politics draw greater attention to this day. Other New Jersey cities that are of the same size or smaller -- such as Atlantic City and Asbury Park -- merit notability for their elected officials regardless of their size. The nominator appears to have prejudged this AfD based on the city's size and has made no mention or taken any consideration of the reliable and verifiable sources as required by WP:BEFORE. The further failure to combine a series of such AfDs all based on the same rationalization raises further issues. Alansohn ( talk) 22:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep or merge and redirect to
Mayors of Hobokon Hobokon is more important than its size suggests, because of its proximity to New York. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:43, 14 February 2015 (UTC).
Weak, reluctant keep IF The New York Times published a full obituary (I'm not paying to find out). It's the only substantial reference, and I couldn't find anything better. OtherwiseRedirect to Mayor of Hoboken, New Jersey. I've checked The New York Times archives and couldn't find much. One obituary, even in the Times, and a close encounter of the worst kind with a falling "heavy bar" aren't enough, seeing as it's about a local. Clarityfiend ( talk) 00:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)- Keep as notable local politician. More info would be desirable for the article. Billy Hathorn ( talk) 17:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. An obituary in the NYT is conclusive proof of notability. James500 ( talk) 01:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep In the NYC metro region, Hoboken is an extremely important city, for political, transportation, residential and cultural reasons. Its importance to the region is not proportional to its population. Liz Read! Talk! 13:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Mayor of a city of 50,000 people. Just not notable enough. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination's argument is classic WP:NOTBIGENOUGH but "Notability isn't determined by something's quantity of members, but rather by the quality of the subject's verifiable, reliable sources." We have a guy currently at RfA who has been working for years on a place with a pop of just over 300 and most everyone seems to think that's wonderful. Andrew D. ( talk) 09:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 23:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Martin Cooke (mayor)
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Cooke's only claim to notability is serving as mayor of Hoboken. This is a city that is neither of regional significance or significant enough population to justify being mayor of it grounds for establishing an individual's notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:04, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:NPOL, regional politicians rarely meet notability criteria. I don't see any evidence that this one does; only sources are obit and small mention in a news article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep the article meets the general notability guideline. An obituary on the New York Times connotes notability not the office held. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep As a major local political leader, with ample coverage in reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability. Despite its size, Hoboken punches far above its weight, drawing a disproportionate level of coverage from New York City and New Jersey newspapers, as evidenced here and in the article for the present mayor, Dawn Zimmer. Hoboken and its docks / railyards / location across the Hudson River from Manhattan makes its politics draw greater attention to this day. Other New Jersey cities that are of the same size or smaller -- such as Atlantic City and Asbury Park -- merit notability for their elected officials regardless of their size. The nominator appears to have prejudged this AfD based on the city's size and has made no mention or taken any consideration of the reliable and verifiable sources as required by WP:BEFORE. The further failure to combine a series of such AfDs all based on the same rationalization raises further issues. Alansohn ( talk) 22:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 22:32, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep or merge and redirect to
Mayors of Hobokon Hobokon is more important than its size suggests, because of its proximity to New York. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:43, 14 February 2015 (UTC).
Weak, reluctant keep IF The New York Times published a full obituary (I'm not paying to find out). It's the only substantial reference, and I couldn't find anything better. OtherwiseRedirect to Mayor of Hoboken, New Jersey. I've checked The New York Times archives and couldn't find much. One obituary, even in the Times, and a close encounter of the worst kind with a falling "heavy bar" aren't enough, seeing as it's about a local. Clarityfiend ( talk) 00:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)- Keep as notable local politician. More info would be desirable for the article. Billy Hathorn ( talk) 17:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. An obituary in the NYT is conclusive proof of notability. James500 ( talk) 01:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep In the NYC metro region, Hoboken is an extremely important city, for political, transportation, residential and cultural reasons. Its importance to the region is not proportional to its population. Liz Read! Talk! 13:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Mayor of a city of 50,000 people. Just not notable enough. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination's argument is classic WP:NOTBIGENOUGH but "Notability isn't determined by something's quantity of members, but rather by the quality of the subject's verifiable, reliable sources." We have a guy currently at RfA who has been working for years on a place with a pop of just over 300 and most everyone seems to think that's wonderful. Andrew D. ( talk) 09:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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