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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Marti Group
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No significant coverage in reliable third-party sources that establish notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. GSS 💬 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Switzerland. GSS 💬 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a major Swiss engineering company. According to
de:Marti Holding, their annual turnover is more than a billion Swiss francs. Anyway, a quick search in Swiss Google News confirms notability immediately:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]. —
Kusma (
talk) 11:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Kusma: Thank you for finding these sources. Although I can't read German, Google Translate revealed that the second source is routine coverage with no significant detail on the company, and the fourth source is just a passing mention, both of which fail to meet
WP:CORPDEPTH. However, the third one provides some depth about the company. The first source requires a subscription, so I am unable to review it; let's wait for others to check it. Additionally, it's a bit confusing whether the article is about a group of companies or an individual company, as the article on de-wiki is titled
Marti Holding. If the article is kept, the title should be adjusted accordingly.
GSS
💬 13:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the articles will talk about what the company does, and go into depth about their projects, and not about the company itself. I think that should be expected of most companies, but especially of private and construction companies who are not usually in the spotlight. With that said, as Kusma noted, even information about the company itself can be found to establish notability.
- The article is intentionally meant to be about the entire group, as I think that their internal company structure and who does what is not easy to decipher for the public and it's also not interesting. Marti Holding is a holding company that owns a lot of others, but in a sense it's just one of many official entities and less relevant. They call themselves Marti Group on their own official channels and that's why I named it as such. Fejesjoco ( talk) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- A deal worth a billion dollars for a significant part of Central Europe's greatest infrastructure project may be "routine coverage" to you. To me, it indicates that we should have an article about this company. It is an embarrassment that we did not have one ten years ago. — Kusma ( talk) 15:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Kusma: Thank you for finding these sources. Although I can't read German, Google Translate revealed that the second source is routine coverage with no significant detail on the company, and the fourth source is just a passing mention, both of which fail to meet
WP:CORPDEPTH. However, the third one provides some depth about the company. The first source requires a subscription, so I am unable to review it; let's wait for others to check it. Additionally, it's a bit confusing whether the article is about a group of companies or an individual company, as the article on de-wiki is titled
Marti Holding. If the article is kept, the title should be adjusted accordingly.
GSS
💬 13:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- In the past hour, I added some sources found by Kusma and some others by me. These go in depth about the company so these should satisfy the notability and coverage depth criteria, much better than the average in this category. Additionally, since at one point you wanted to delete the article on grounds of being promotional, I added a section about a controversy of theirs, with even more direct news coverage sources. Fejesjoco ( talk) 18:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (but I'm biased). With recent edits to the article, the concerns raised should be eliminated by now. BTW found another strong source [5] a university research project. The talk page lists additional ideas for extending the article, but even without that it should be good enough already. Fejesjoco ( talk) 15:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 00:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Marti Group
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No significant coverage in reliable third-party sources that establish notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. GSS 💬 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Switzerland. GSS 💬 10:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a major Swiss engineering company. According to
de:Marti Holding, their annual turnover is more than a billion Swiss francs. Anyway, a quick search in Swiss Google News confirms notability immediately:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]. —
Kusma (
talk) 11:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Kusma: Thank you for finding these sources. Although I can't read German, Google Translate revealed that the second source is routine coverage with no significant detail on the company, and the fourth source is just a passing mention, both of which fail to meet
WP:CORPDEPTH. However, the third one provides some depth about the company. The first source requires a subscription, so I am unable to review it; let's wait for others to check it. Additionally, it's a bit confusing whether the article is about a group of companies or an individual company, as the article on de-wiki is titled
Marti Holding. If the article is kept, the title should be adjusted accordingly.
GSS
💬 13:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the articles will talk about what the company does, and go into depth about their projects, and not about the company itself. I think that should be expected of most companies, but especially of private and construction companies who are not usually in the spotlight. With that said, as Kusma noted, even information about the company itself can be found to establish notability.
- The article is intentionally meant to be about the entire group, as I think that their internal company structure and who does what is not easy to decipher for the public and it's also not interesting. Marti Holding is a holding company that owns a lot of others, but in a sense it's just one of many official entities and less relevant. They call themselves Marti Group on their own official channels and that's why I named it as such. Fejesjoco ( talk) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- A deal worth a billion dollars for a significant part of Central Europe's greatest infrastructure project may be "routine coverage" to you. To me, it indicates that we should have an article about this company. It is an embarrassment that we did not have one ten years ago. — Kusma ( talk) 15:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Kusma: Thank you for finding these sources. Although I can't read German, Google Translate revealed that the second source is routine coverage with no significant detail on the company, and the fourth source is just a passing mention, both of which fail to meet
WP:CORPDEPTH. However, the third one provides some depth about the company. The first source requires a subscription, so I am unable to review it; let's wait for others to check it. Additionally, it's a bit confusing whether the article is about a group of companies or an individual company, as the article on de-wiki is titled
Marti Holding. If the article is kept, the title should be adjusted accordingly.
GSS
💬 13:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- In the past hour, I added some sources found by Kusma and some others by me. These go in depth about the company so these should satisfy the notability and coverage depth criteria, much better than the average in this category. Additionally, since at one point you wanted to delete the article on grounds of being promotional, I added a section about a controversy of theirs, with even more direct news coverage sources. Fejesjoco ( talk) 18:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (but I'm biased). With recent edits to the article, the concerns raised should be eliminated by now. BTW found another strong source [5] a university research project. The talk page lists additional ideas for extending the article, but even without that it should be good enough already. Fejesjoco ( talk) 15:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 00:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.