The result was redirect to Dundee School Shootings. Okay folks, this was a messy AfD to close and if someone wants to go down the DRV route I won't take it personally.
Numerically it's almost a tie, with a 6-5 lead in favour of delete, with a couple of other !votes.
Moving to policy, the delete !votes are consistently policy backed, while a couple of the Keep votes were not (even including one which while not saying the magic words could be reasonably read as an IAR position). The non-delete/keep !votes are adequately policy-backed.
So why not delete or no-consensus? Well, most of the discussion had this as a dichotomy, due to the lack of an event article to underpin the BLP1E reasoning, before the creation of the merged event article towards the end. Several delete !votes specifically noted that they would redirect if it was an option, which it now is. I have also been BOLD and gone on the basis that the Keep !votes would prefer a redirect to a delete outcome. Nosebagbear ( talk) 12:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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Non-notable individual. Fails WP:1E. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 16:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Keep or rather complicated option described below. Did anyone actually read WP:1E? It commences: "When an individual is significant for their role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both." That is to say, it's about deciding, given that an event is notable, whether we write the article about the event, or the person involved. The event is clearly notable, it was being written about (extensively) 40 years after it happened, so it's got lasting impact. Young was one of the most important people involved. Therefore clearly we need an article, and the only question is whether we have an article about her, or the event. We don't have an article about the event, so until we've got one, we have to keep the article about the person. 1E is grounds for moving the article to have the name of the event rather than the person, not grounds for deletion. But if we move the article to cover the event, what do we do with Mone, who unfortunately is famous for more than this; he also broke out of psychiatric hospital and killed more people? Since this is all closely related, I do think one option would be to merge everything in Mone, Hanson and Young into a single article, and create redirects for them individually. Young and Hanson are both worth remembering; the event was a very major one, and both played vital roles in it. The worst outcome of this would be deletion, but it's difficult to know where to send a redirect without an article on the event. Elemimele ( talk) 18:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Dundee School Shootings. Okay folks, this was a messy AfD to close and if someone wants to go down the DRV route I won't take it personally.
Numerically it's almost a tie, with a 6-5 lead in favour of delete, with a couple of other !votes.
Moving to policy, the delete !votes are consistently policy backed, while a couple of the Keep votes were not (even including one which while not saying the magic words could be reasonably read as an IAR position). The non-delete/keep !votes are adequately policy-backed.
So why not delete or no-consensus? Well, most of the discussion had this as a dichotomy, due to the lack of an event article to underpin the BLP1E reasoning, before the creation of the merged event article towards the end. Several delete !votes specifically noted that they would redirect if it was an option, which it now is. I have also been BOLD and gone on the basis that the Keep !votes would prefer a redirect to a delete outcome. Nosebagbear ( talk) 12:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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Non-notable individual. Fails WP:1E. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 16:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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CycloneYoris
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00:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More opinions are welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Timothytyy (
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07:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Keep or rather complicated option described below. Did anyone actually read WP:1E? It commences: "When an individual is significant for their role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both." That is to say, it's about deciding, given that an event is notable, whether we write the article about the event, or the person involved. The event is clearly notable, it was being written about (extensively) 40 years after it happened, so it's got lasting impact. Young was one of the most important people involved. Therefore clearly we need an article, and the only question is whether we have an article about her, or the event. We don't have an article about the event, so until we've got one, we have to keep the article about the person. 1E is grounds for moving the article to have the name of the event rather than the person, not grounds for deletion. But if we move the article to cover the event, what do we do with Mone, who unfortunately is famous for more than this; he also broke out of psychiatric hospital and killed more people? Since this is all closely related, I do think one option would be to merge everything in Mone, Hanson and Young into a single article, and create redirects for them individually. Young and Hanson are both worth remembering; the event was a very major one, and both played vital roles in it. The worst outcome of this would be deletion, but it's difficult to know where to send a redirect without an article on the event. Elemimele ( talk) 18:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)