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The result was Speedy Keep. SK#1: nom withdrawn, and no other deletion arguments ( non-admin closure) czar ♔ 04:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
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Per
WP:NMOTORSPORT Marcelo Monte could apparently in theory have an article because he raced once in the
24 Hours of Le Mans; however, per
WP:BASIC ("A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.") he does not in the practice qualify for an article. To make matters worse,
Mathias karl estress (the creator of the article) has been asked repeatedly on his talk page to add references to this BLP, yet he has ignored this request. But what makes this article fatally flawed is that it consists primarily of a copy-paste translation job of a blog entry in Portuguese created by the aforementioned Mathias Karl Estress, as can be verified
here. A hypothetical article about Marcelo Monte would have to be created from scratch.
Dontreader (
talk)
01:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
"Withdrawn by nominator" I still believe that the article is fatally flawed, but in theory Marcelo Monte qualifies for an article on Wikipedia per WP:NMOTORSPORT, so I will take less drastic measures concerning the article than an attempt to delete it. Please close this discussion. Thanks... Dontreader ( talk) 08:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 01:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 01:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Esta pagina é baseada em fatos reais e o autor assim o comprovou, tambem pesquisei esse piloto e todas as informações do autor são verdadeiras, é um erro deletar esta pagina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Flavio Teixeira Prado, Você não é objetivo. O artigo vem de seu blog:
http://flaviossteixeiraprado.blogspot.com/2014/09/origem-wikipedia-enciclopedia-livre.html Como você explica isso? Você não compreende Inglés e Você não compreende a Wikipedia. Essa é uma receita para o desastre, se você quiser criar um artigo na Wikipedia Inglés. Dontreader ( talk) 20:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
What's wrong with me being of Portugal, just use a translator, I met a child Marcelo Lot personally when he ran here in Estoril, don't put anything on my blog, without search, if it is proven that he ran LE MANS, that you too agree, it is obvious that he had to go through the other categories, he also appears in references of STOCK CAR BRAZIL, as stated in LE MANS, and can be checked, alias still in activity in the STOCK CAR BRAZIL, can prove if you want, many of the existing profiles on WIKIPEDIA has the EXTERNAL LINKS extracted from own WEB SITES that person being made the biography, its deletion has no basis whatsoever, I ask that you remove, not to harm nor my research nor the author of the pagethat's great career researcher and Austrian riders, I mean I understand English and also to Wikipedia, I'm not an idiot like you try to say, I'm a writer and I've never had confidence in my blog for writing things that do not match the truth, please use your talent for things more useful than deleting this page. Flavioss Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, first of all, this is not Wikimedia Commons, where you can write in any language. This is the English-language Wikipedia, where you must write in English. If I want to contribute to the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, I must write in Portuguese there. I'm not saying that you are an idiot. I'm saying that you don't understand Wikipedia's most basic rules. I believe that what the Marcelo Monte article says is true, but Wikipedia has rules that must be followed, and you don't understand them. For example, read WP:UNSOURCED. There you will see this:
- "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."
- And do you know what a "reliable source" is? Read WP:SOURCES. You will find this:
- "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."
- That's why Mathias Karl Estress was asked to provide citations to reliable sources for the Marcelo Monte article, but he ignored that request. A person should contribute to Wikipedia for a long time, and learn the most important rules, before creating an article. Dontreader ( talk) 17:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Mathias Karl Stress told me this bored and does not intend to further collaborate with Wikipedia, reliable sources in the post 3 passed, pilots Stock Car Brazil (picked up on Wikipedia), 24 hours Le Mans (picked up on Wikipedia) only external references that are from my blog, I've never had to remove any post for being fake, since they are the result of research and also claims that several external links from wikipedia are taken from web sites created by fans or by the own person this being written, I say dear Sir, with such evidence because you didn't remove the deletion. Cordially, Flavioss Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 18:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, Wikipedia articles are never reliable sources. Read WP:WPNOTRS. It says:
- "Although Wikipedia articles are tertiary sources, Wikipedia employs no systematic mechanism for fact checking or accuracy. Thus Wikipedia articles (or Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose."
- And your blog cannot be used either. Read WP:USERGENERATED
- "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable."
- As I said, you must learn the basic rules first. Dontreader ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- [[If the articles of Wikipedia (or Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose, so why you want to delete this article??? not condoning terrorism, not pedophilia because then???" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 23:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
If my blog cannot be used for both, for the Sir will not police and proposes deletion to the many pages of Wikipedia, use of external links to blogs and web sites for fans of the own person described??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 8 November 2014 (UTC) Like I said, you have to learn the ground rules first, by researched all the rules were followed and whether the basic Sir check the history, there were many collaborations and now Sir comes wanting to delete and harm the work of new writers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 9 November 2014 (UTC) So for what Sir wrote the facebook page of Marcelo Monte can be used as external links??? Sir also said that this page does not follow the basic rules, so I googled follows all, Dear Sir please remove the deletion request, but we can continue to discuss the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC) Flavioss Teixeira Prado ( Portuguese - race car writer )
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, external links serve a different purpose. It's OK for the article of a famous person to have an external link to his (or her) website. Read WP:EXT. Now look, I recently nominated another article for deletion, so don't take it personally. And I have tried to save some other articles from deletion. But I cannot nominate every bad article for deletion because I don't have time, and I cannot try to save many articles from deletion because I don't have time. Let me try to make this clear to you: if Marcelo Monte's article says that he takes painkillers (analgesicos), YOU MUST PROVIDE A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR THAT CLAIM. It's the same with many other things that are in the article. Where are the sources? Dontreader ( talk) 05:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, this discussion is now closed because I am withdrawing the nomination for deletion. Someone will remove the deletion tag from the article in a couple of days (do NOT remove it yourself). I will take less drastic measures. Dontreader ( talk) 08:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
About the analsegicos was known in an interview to Marcelo Monte in a Brazilian television talk show, not as check on Wikipedia, but I am VERY GRATEFUL for removing the DELETION, and help new writers of historical racing, sincerely grateful, Flavio Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Speedy Keep. SK#1: nom withdrawn, and no other deletion arguments ( non-admin closure) czar ♔ 04:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Marcelo Monte (racing driver) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Per
WP:NMOTORSPORT Marcelo Monte could apparently in theory have an article because he raced once in the
24 Hours of Le Mans; however, per
WP:BASIC ("A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.") he does not in the practice qualify for an article. To make matters worse,
Mathias karl estress (the creator of the article) has been asked repeatedly on his talk page to add references to this BLP, yet he has ignored this request. But what makes this article fatally flawed is that it consists primarily of a copy-paste translation job of a blog entry in Portuguese created by the aforementioned Mathias Karl Estress, as can be verified
here. A hypothetical article about Marcelo Monte would have to be created from scratch.
Dontreader (
talk)
01:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
"Withdrawn by nominator" I still believe that the article is fatally flawed, but in theory Marcelo Monte qualifies for an article on Wikipedia per WP:NMOTORSPORT, so I will take less drastic measures concerning the article than an attempt to delete it. Please close this discussion. Thanks... Dontreader ( talk) 08:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 01:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 01:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Esta pagina é baseada em fatos reais e o autor assim o comprovou, tambem pesquisei esse piloto e todas as informações do autor são verdadeiras, é um erro deletar esta pagina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. Flavio Teixeira Prado, Você não é objetivo. O artigo vem de seu blog:
http://flaviossteixeiraprado.blogspot.com/2014/09/origem-wikipedia-enciclopedia-livre.html Como você explica isso? Você não compreende Inglés e Você não compreende a Wikipedia. Essa é uma receita para o desastre, se você quiser criar um artigo na Wikipedia Inglés. Dontreader ( talk) 20:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
What's wrong with me being of Portugal, just use a translator, I met a child Marcelo Lot personally when he ran here in Estoril, don't put anything on my blog, without search, if it is proven that he ran LE MANS, that you too agree, it is obvious that he had to go through the other categories, he also appears in references of STOCK CAR BRAZIL, as stated in LE MANS, and can be checked, alias still in activity in the STOCK CAR BRAZIL, can prove if you want, many of the existing profiles on WIKIPEDIA has the EXTERNAL LINKS extracted from own WEB SITES that person being made the biography, its deletion has no basis whatsoever, I ask that you remove, not to harm nor my research nor the author of the pagethat's great career researcher and Austrian riders, I mean I understand English and also to Wikipedia, I'm not an idiot like you try to say, I'm a writer and I've never had confidence in my blog for writing things that do not match the truth, please use your talent for things more useful than deleting this page. Flavioss Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, first of all, this is not Wikimedia Commons, where you can write in any language. This is the English-language Wikipedia, where you must write in English. If I want to contribute to the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, I must write in Portuguese there. I'm not saying that you are an idiot. I'm saying that you don't understand Wikipedia's most basic rules. I believe that what the Marcelo Monte article says is true, but Wikipedia has rules that must be followed, and you don't understand them. For example, read WP:UNSOURCED. There you will see this:
- "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."
- And do you know what a "reliable source" is? Read WP:SOURCES. You will find this:
- "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."
- That's why Mathias Karl Estress was asked to provide citations to reliable sources for the Marcelo Monte article, but he ignored that request. A person should contribute to Wikipedia for a long time, and learn the most important rules, before creating an article. Dontreader ( talk) 17:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Mathias Karl Stress told me this bored and does not intend to further collaborate with Wikipedia, reliable sources in the post 3 passed, pilots Stock Car Brazil (picked up on Wikipedia), 24 hours Le Mans (picked up on Wikipedia) only external references that are from my blog, I've never had to remove any post for being fake, since they are the result of research and also claims that several external links from wikipedia are taken from web sites created by fans or by the own person this being written, I say dear Sir, with such evidence because you didn't remove the deletion. Cordially, Flavioss Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 18:07, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, Wikipedia articles are never reliable sources. Read WP:WPNOTRS. It says:
- "Although Wikipedia articles are tertiary sources, Wikipedia employs no systematic mechanism for fact checking or accuracy. Thus Wikipedia articles (or Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose."
- And your blog cannot be used either. Read WP:USERGENERATED
- "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable."
- As I said, you must learn the basic rules first. Dontreader ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- [[If the articles of Wikipedia (or Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for any purpose, so why you want to delete this article??? not condoning terrorism, not pedophilia because then???" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 23:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
If my blog cannot be used for both, for the Sir will not police and proposes deletion to the many pages of Wikipedia, use of external links to blogs and web sites for fans of the own person described??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 8 November 2014 (UTC) Like I said, you have to learn the ground rules first, by researched all the rules were followed and whether the basic Sir check the history, there were many collaborations and now Sir comes wanting to delete and harm the work of new writers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 9 November 2014 (UTC) So for what Sir wrote the facebook page of Marcelo Monte can be used as external links??? Sir also said that this page does not follow the basic rules, so I googled follows all, Dear Sir please remove the deletion request, but we can continue to discuss the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC) Flavioss Teixeira Prado ( Portuguese - race car writer )
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, external links serve a different purpose. It's OK for the article of a famous person to have an external link to his (or her) website. Read WP:EXT. Now look, I recently nominated another article for deletion, so don't take it personally. And I have tried to save some other articles from deletion. But I cannot nominate every bad article for deletion because I don't have time, and I cannot try to save many articles from deletion because I don't have time. Let me try to make this clear to you: if Marcelo Monte's article says that he takes painkillers (analgesicos), YOU MUST PROVIDE A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR THAT CLAIM. It's the same with many other things that are in the article. Where are the sources? Dontreader ( talk) 05:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flavio Teixeira Prado, this discussion is now closed because I am withdrawing the nomination for deletion. Someone will remove the deletion tag from the article in a couple of days (do NOT remove it yourself). I will take less drastic measures. Dontreader ( talk) 08:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
About the analsegicos was known in an interview to Marcelo Monte in a Brazilian television talk show, not as check on Wikipedia, but I am VERY GRATEFUL for removing the DELETION, and help new writers of historical racing, sincerely grateful, Flavio Teixeira Prado — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flavio Teixeira Prado ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.