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The result was no consensus. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Mannemerak
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Does not appear to be notable, nothing found in a BEFORE. Tagged for notability since 2019. Previous AfD was no consensus. Lets decide once and for all if this article should stay or be deleted. DonaldD23 talk to me 12:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Television,
Entertainment, and
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DonaldD23
talk to me
12:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
- Could you link to the specific notability requirements for articles about TV shows? I saw it before but now I cannot find it :)
NeilenMarais (
talk)
16:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, it is linked from the article itself, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(television)#Television_pilots,_future_series_or_seasons,_and_unreleased_series
- I'll take a look. I can confirm from memory that this was publicly released show that aired on South African public television in the 1980's and 1990's.
- Would the article qualify for notability if reliable sources proving that it was aired are cited?
- I don't know if it qualifies, but some episodes are available on youtube, e.g.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RH6x32WEm4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6zNYo-5tY
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5eRzSyGdvk NeilenMarais ( talk) 16:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Mannemarak is a memorable part of many South Africans' youth. I don't know if that qualifies it for "notability", but I for one appreciate this piece of "lore" being preserved on Wikipedia.
- A nice addition to the page would be the lyrics to the theme song.
StefanVanDerWalt (
talk)
15:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Lyrics are usually a copyrighted work. See
WP:LYRICS. –
The Grid (
talk)
20:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Makes sense, thanks for the reminder. — StefanVanDerWalt ( talk) 15:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- Lyrics are usually a copyrighted work. See
WP:LYRICS. –
The Grid (
talk)
20:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep/Commment Meets WP:NTVNATL. Ran for years on the national broadcaster in South Africa (original and repeats), when there was a very limited selection of alternative entertainment. This was a popular TV show in 80's South Africa, and then rerun. Led to merchandising [1] Found this mention in a WP:RS [2]and less reliable sources: [3] [4] [5]. Park3r ( talk) 01:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting one more time in the hope of avoiding a second low-participation no consensus closure.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Comment Most of the participants here seem to be arguing for a keep (NeilenMarais, StefanVanDerWalt). They may not be familiar with the AfD process, so aren't putting in explicit keep votes. Park3r ( talk) 13:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:NTVNATL
However, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone.
and there's no reliable sourcing bar a passing mention. Forum posts and Pinterest are of no use. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 18:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment there were other sources including an academic paper and an article in the Sunday Times, which is an WP:RS. It’s well established by the sources that this was broadcast on South African national television for an extended period and this is confirmed by one or more WP:RS. The fact that it was merchandised is offered further evidence that it was broadcast on national television for the purposes of this debate, not as a source in itself. UPDATE: There are TV schedules in Google Books for 1997 from Drum Magazine (a WP:RS) indicating that it aired on SABC. Park3r ( talk) 19:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - One problem with finding sources is the spelling of the name, which sadly was an issue last time and pointed out. Spelling is actually "Mannemarak", previous discussion the name was "Manemarak", current article is Mannemerak. Wouldn't hurt if anyone had access to any Afrikaans newspaper archives. WikiVirus C (talk) 23:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Mannemerak
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Does not appear to be notable, nothing found in a BEFORE. Tagged for notability since 2019. Previous AfD was no consensus. Lets decide once and for all if this article should stay or be deleted. DonaldD23 talk to me 12:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Television,
Entertainment, and
South Africa.
DonaldD23
talk to me
12:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
- Could you link to the specific notability requirements for articles about TV shows? I saw it before but now I cannot find it :)
NeilenMarais (
talk)
16:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, it is linked from the article itself, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(television)#Television_pilots,_future_series_or_seasons,_and_unreleased_series
- I'll take a look. I can confirm from memory that this was publicly released show that aired on South African public television in the 1980's and 1990's.
- Would the article qualify for notability if reliable sources proving that it was aired are cited?
- I don't know if it qualifies, but some episodes are available on youtube, e.g.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RH6x32WEm4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6zNYo-5tY
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5eRzSyGdvk NeilenMarais ( talk) 16:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Mannemarak is a memorable part of many South Africans' youth. I don't know if that qualifies it for "notability", but I for one appreciate this piece of "lore" being preserved on Wikipedia.
- A nice addition to the page would be the lyrics to the theme song.
StefanVanDerWalt (
talk)
15:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Lyrics are usually a copyrighted work. See
WP:LYRICS. –
The Grid (
talk)
20:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Makes sense, thanks for the reminder. — StefanVanDerWalt ( talk) 15:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- Lyrics are usually a copyrighted work. See
WP:LYRICS. –
The Grid (
talk)
20:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep/Commment Meets WP:NTVNATL. Ran for years on the national broadcaster in South Africa (original and repeats), when there was a very limited selection of alternative entertainment. This was a popular TV show in 80's South Africa, and then rerun. Led to merchandising [1] Found this mention in a WP:RS [2]and less reliable sources: [3] [4] [5]. Park3r ( talk) 01:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting one more time in the hope of avoiding a second low-participation no consensus closure.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Comment Most of the participants here seem to be arguing for a keep (NeilenMarais, StefanVanDerWalt). They may not be familiar with the AfD process, so aren't putting in explicit keep votes. Park3r ( talk) 13:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:NTVNATL
However, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone.
and there's no reliable sourcing bar a passing mention. Forum posts and Pinterest are of no use. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmissions∆ ° co-ords° 18:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment there were other sources including an academic paper and an article in the Sunday Times, which is an WP:RS. It’s well established by the sources that this was broadcast on South African national television for an extended period and this is confirmed by one or more WP:RS. The fact that it was merchandised is offered further evidence that it was broadcast on national television for the purposes of this debate, not as a source in itself. UPDATE: There are TV schedules in Google Books for 1997 from Drum Magazine (a WP:RS) indicating that it aired on SABC. Park3r ( talk) 19:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - One problem with finding sources is the spelling of the name, which sadly was an issue last time and pointed out. Spelling is actually "Mannemarak", previous discussion the name was "Manemarak", current article is Mannemerak. Wouldn't hurt if anyone had access to any Afrikaans newspaper archives. WikiVirus C (talk) 23:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.