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Fails
WP:JOURNALIST and
WP:BASIC. Among the three cited sources, only TheHindu makes a passing mention, the entire Baasha India site is dead and the other one is not a news source and is also dead. Can't find any other
WP:RS about the subject on the internet.
SUN EYE 1 08:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Hi
Brycehughes, He was the editor of the magazine till 2015 per his
linkedin profile (now there is a
new editor) and the magazine is a
Tamil language magazine primarily known in only one state in India. The links you gave were
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, is there at least one source with
WP:SIGCOV because I couldn't find anything with Significant coverage about him.
SUN EYE 1 12:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Take a look at
this and note how many times he is quoted as an expert commentator in various news sources around India and the world, including the Hindustan Times, The Economic Times, the Times of India, and Gulf News. Moreover, note that that "one state in India" is larger than most countries in the world. He is clearly notable.
Brycehughes (
talk) 14:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Brycehughes, I do not disagree with you on that but what wiki policy supports the notability of him based on his comments if there is no
WP:SIGCOV about him.
SUN EYE 1 14:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
User:Suneye1, you neglect to mention that the one state in India in which the magazine is primarily known is more populous than all but two countries in Europe. And what does it being in Tamil have to do with notability?
Phil Bridger (
talk) 20:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I thought the other user might think that the magazine is circulated in all of India where Tamil is spoken only by less than
six percent of the population.
SUN EYE 1 03:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)reply
It's the absolute number that matters, not the percentage in a nation state. There are about 70 million native speakers of Tamil, so anything published in that language has a very large potential audience.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 20:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep@
Suneye1: Thank you for bringing this now I have added more references and details to evaluate the Notability. -
Neechalkaran (
talk) 02:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Hi Neechalkaran, I appreciate the effort but you have added awards from his linkedin profile and a government pdf and some content from his personal website. I doubt these are
WP:RS and none of those sources were
WP:SIGCOV.
SUN EYE 1 05:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 17:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
RationalPuff:: Please reevaluate. The article doesn't represent the person as a editor but also an advisory of Various National and State level institutions.-
Neechalkaran (
talk) 10:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep per Brycehughes -- the guideline (XNGs aren't policy) that supports his notability is NJOURNALIST. "Merely being editor with the major newspapers" is NCREATIVE#3, and Brycehughes also demonstrates he passes NCREATIVE#1.
Vaticidalprophet 23:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the article pass
WP:BASIC before
WP:NJOURNALIST. WP:BASIC states "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable...". There is currently no
WP:RS with Significant coverage about the subject.
SUN EYE 1 08:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Neechalkaran: None of these references are about him. Merely news articles quoting his words doesn't count. Article written by him is his job. He doesn't meet either
WP:GNG,
WP:AUTHOR,
WP:POLITICIAN,
WP:CREATIVE. Have you got anything else that makes him notable?
RationalPuff (
talk) 12:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
RationalPuff:He is a Translator, writer, Journalist, Political Analyst and State Government Award Receipient. as per
Creative professionals, his work thappu kanakku is his well noted work, which has been translated in various languages. I can't list his all books, as it's reference are citied in commerical websites. He travelled along with various Indian Prime Ministers as member of official journalist crew. Council member of Sahitya Akademi, Lalikala Academy, Raja Rammohum Roy Library Foundation and more. Senate Member of Various Universities.-
Neechalkaran (
talk) 14:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Neechalkaran: why don't you add all these to the article backing it up with
WP:RS,
WP:SIGCOV. Quality of information in the article dictates whether or not an article should be on Wikipedia, not solely the the points being made on the AfD.
RationalPuff (
talk) 09:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
You've got it backwards. The question is whether the subject is notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia, not whether the quality of the encyclopedia article renders the subject notable.
Brycehughes (
talk) 22:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Plenty of reliable sources present and article is notable too.
Aloolkaparatha (
talk) 07:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Neechalkaran, please see
WP:RS, that is his personal website, also
these references you recently added are not reliable too. Please don't take this deletion discussion personally, I nominated this article as it lacked notability.
SUN EYE 1 08:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Randykitty (
talk) 14:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. Per norm, lacks significant coverage.
Slovenichibo (
talk) 05:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Fails
WP:JOURNALIST and
WP:BASIC. Among the three cited sources, only TheHindu makes a passing mention, the entire Baasha India site is dead and the other one is not a news source and is also dead. Can't find any other
WP:RS about the subject on the internet.
SUN EYE 1 08:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Hi
Brycehughes, He was the editor of the magazine till 2015 per his
linkedin profile (now there is a
new editor) and the magazine is a
Tamil language magazine primarily known in only one state in India. The links you gave were
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, is there at least one source with
WP:SIGCOV because I couldn't find anything with Significant coverage about him.
SUN EYE 1 12:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Take a look at
this and note how many times he is quoted as an expert commentator in various news sources around India and the world, including the Hindustan Times, The Economic Times, the Times of India, and Gulf News. Moreover, note that that "one state in India" is larger than most countries in the world. He is clearly notable.
Brycehughes (
talk) 14:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Brycehughes, I do not disagree with you on that but what wiki policy supports the notability of him based on his comments if there is no
WP:SIGCOV about him.
SUN EYE 1 14:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)reply
User:Suneye1, you neglect to mention that the one state in India in which the magazine is primarily known is more populous than all but two countries in Europe. And what does it being in Tamil have to do with notability?
Phil Bridger (
talk) 20:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I thought the other user might think that the magazine is circulated in all of India where Tamil is spoken only by less than
six percent of the population.
SUN EYE 1 03:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)reply
It's the absolute number that matters, not the percentage in a nation state. There are about 70 million native speakers of Tamil, so anything published in that language has a very large potential audience.
Phil Bridger (
talk) 20:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep@
Suneye1: Thank you for bringing this now I have added more references and details to evaluate the Notability. -
Neechalkaran (
talk) 02:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Hi Neechalkaran, I appreciate the effort but you have added awards from his linkedin profile and a government pdf and some content from his personal website. I doubt these are
WP:RS and none of those sources were
WP:SIGCOV.
SUN EYE 1 05:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 17:09, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
RationalPuff:: Please reevaluate. The article doesn't represent the person as a editor but also an advisory of Various National and State level institutions.-
Neechalkaran (
talk) 10:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep per Brycehughes -- the guideline (XNGs aren't policy) that supports his notability is NJOURNALIST. "Merely being editor with the major newspapers" is NCREATIVE#3, and Brycehughes also demonstrates he passes NCREATIVE#1.
Vaticidalprophet 23:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the article pass
WP:BASIC before
WP:NJOURNALIST. WP:BASIC states "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable...". There is currently no
WP:RS with Significant coverage about the subject.
SUN EYE 1 08:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Neechalkaran: None of these references are about him. Merely news articles quoting his words doesn't count. Article written by him is his job. He doesn't meet either
WP:GNG,
WP:AUTHOR,
WP:POLITICIAN,
WP:CREATIVE. Have you got anything else that makes him notable?
RationalPuff (
talk) 12:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
RationalPuff:He is a Translator, writer, Journalist, Political Analyst and State Government Award Receipient. as per
Creative professionals, his work thappu kanakku is his well noted work, which has been translated in various languages. I can't list his all books, as it's reference are citied in commerical websites. He travelled along with various Indian Prime Ministers as member of official journalist crew. Council member of Sahitya Akademi, Lalikala Academy, Raja Rammohum Roy Library Foundation and more. Senate Member of Various Universities.-
Neechalkaran (
talk) 14:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Neechalkaran: why don't you add all these to the article backing it up with
WP:RS,
WP:SIGCOV. Quality of information in the article dictates whether or not an article should be on Wikipedia, not solely the the points being made on the AfD.
RationalPuff (
talk) 09:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
You've got it backwards. The question is whether the subject is notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia, not whether the quality of the encyclopedia article renders the subject notable.
Brycehughes (
talk) 22:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Plenty of reliable sources present and article is notable too.
Aloolkaparatha (
talk) 07:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Neechalkaran, please see
WP:RS, that is his personal website, also
these references you recently added are not reliable too. Please don't take this deletion discussion personally, I nominated this article as it lacked notability.
SUN EYE 1 08:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Randykitty (
talk) 14:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. Per norm, lacks significant coverage.
Slovenichibo (
talk) 05:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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