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The result was merge to Matt Darey. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Group only recorded about five different songs, with one ("Gamemaster") being remixed and re-released ad nauseam on repetitive compilations. Various releases of that song reached mid-level positions on the UK Singles chart: [1] Regardless, I can find no reliable media coverage of that song or the group itself, and they only appear in the typical streaming services and industry directories. The group could possibly be redirected to Matt Darey as one of his many electronic projects. Also note that the article uses this AllMusic profile: [2], but that is an entirely different band. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep'. Charted = Notable.
Eastmain (
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00:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, that's not how notability works. If there are no independent reliable sources from which to write this; then this should be deleted not only because of GNG but also because of WP:V. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 03:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Absolutely wrong. WP:NMUSIC makes it clear: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" establishes notability. And a music chart is an independent reliable source. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Keep.They charted, and so they meet our standards of notability. Those standards do include the classifier of "may" rather than "must", but precedent is that the "may" is not acted upon, and so while I believe that the aren't the subject of sufficient significant, reliable, and independent coverage to have a wikipedia article about them, I have no choice but to !vote "keep". BilledMammal ( talk) 05:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)- The precedent elsewhere is that no SNG is absolute; and if a subject does not have enough good sources to write an article from, then it's not only an issue of notability but of verifiability.
RandomCanadian (
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11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- My experience of AfD's differ, but given your greater experience, and the fact that I disagree with this supposed precedent that I have observed, changed to Delete. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- The precedent elsewhere is that no SNG is absolute; and if a subject does not have enough good sources to write an article from, then it's not only an issue of notability but of verifiability.
RandomCanadian (
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11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As a thorough fail of GNG overrides the SNG mentioned above. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I added some references. There are references in books, but sometimes Google Books limits the amount of a book that you can see. There are unrelated bands named Lost Tribe in other countries. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 02:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Matt Darey as this was effectively a pseudonym used by him ( [3]) and his most successful in terms of chart position. We don't have a binary decision between keep and delete here - merging and redirecting is obviously more appropriate than deletion, and as we already have an article on this artist (under his real name), a standalone article isn't needed. -- Michig ( talk) 10:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect to Matt Darey as it's not notable enough for an independent article. Suonii180 ( talk) 00:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes criteria 2 of WP:BAND. We have SNGs for a reason to guide us on subjects when a topic doesn't meet GNG. I see no valid reason to overturn community consensus of the NMUSIC policy when it comes to bands that have charted. 4meter4 ( talk) 04:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Matt Darey. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Group only recorded about five different songs, with one ("Gamemaster") being remixed and re-released ad nauseam on repetitive compilations. Various releases of that song reached mid-level positions on the UK Singles chart: [1] Regardless, I can find no reliable media coverage of that song or the group itself, and they only appear in the typical streaming services and industry directories. The group could possibly be redirected to Matt Darey as one of his many electronic projects. Also note that the article uses this AllMusic profile: [2], but that is an entirely different band. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep'. Charted = Notable.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
00:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, that's not how notability works. If there are no independent reliable sources from which to write this; then this should be deleted not only because of GNG but also because of WP:V. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 03:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Absolutely wrong. WP:NMUSIC makes it clear: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" establishes notability. And a music chart is an independent reliable source. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Keep.They charted, and so they meet our standards of notability. Those standards do include the classifier of "may" rather than "must", but precedent is that the "may" is not acted upon, and so while I believe that the aren't the subject of sufficient significant, reliable, and independent coverage to have a wikipedia article about them, I have no choice but to !vote "keep". BilledMammal ( talk) 05:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)- The precedent elsewhere is that no SNG is absolute; and if a subject does not have enough good sources to write an article from, then it's not only an issue of notability but of verifiability.
RandomCanadian (
talk /
contribs)
11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- My experience of AfD's differ, but given your greater experience, and the fact that I disagree with this supposed precedent that I have observed, changed to Delete. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- The precedent elsewhere is that no SNG is absolute; and if a subject does not have enough good sources to write an article from, then it's not only an issue of notability but of verifiability.
RandomCanadian (
talk /
contribs)
11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As a thorough fail of GNG overrides the SNG mentioned above. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 11:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I added some references. There are references in books, but sometimes Google Books limits the amount of a book that you can see. There are unrelated bands named Lost Tribe in other countries. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 02:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Matt Darey as this was effectively a pseudonym used by him ( [3]) and his most successful in terms of chart position. We don't have a binary decision between keep and delete here - merging and redirecting is obviously more appropriate than deletion, and as we already have an article on this artist (under his real name), a standalone article isn't needed. -- Michig ( talk) 10:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect to Matt Darey as it's not notable enough for an independent article. Suonii180 ( talk) 00:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes criteria 2 of WP:BAND. We have SNGs for a reason to guide us on subjects when a topic doesn't meet GNG. I see no valid reason to overturn community consensus of the NMUSIC policy when it comes to bands that have charted. 4meter4 ( talk) 04:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.