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Forks upon forks upon forks of Kamala Harris pages. should be deleted and merged back to the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Some of the content of the page didn't even come from the main article, so a merge back doesn't make sense. This is a notable WP:SUMMARY article on the public image including sub-topics such as KHive and merging it into the main article makes not sense on the basis of WP:SIZERULE (which only after the recent size-splits, all of which you decided to mass-nominate for deletion, has gotten back to readable size based on our guidelines). Raladic ( talk) 06:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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This another recent fork of Kamala Harris Should be deleted and merged back into the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - This was a proper WP:SIZESPLIT of an article that is 3500 words, suggesting to merge it back into the main article that is sitting at 6200 words after the split makes no sense. Raladic ( talk) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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This is a fork of Kamala Harris. This should be deleted and merged into the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify the discussion to a propose split is still ongoing (See
Talk:Kamala Harris#Split proposal) Warm Regards,
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- And pretty much everyone there is opposing it. Bohbye ( talk) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This was a proper WP:SIZESPLIT of an article that is 2800 words, suggesting to merge it back into the main article that is sitting at 6200 words after the split makes no sense. Raladic ( talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. This article is well sourced. Merging back into the main page doesn't make sense since there was a WP:SIZESPLIT proposal already being discussed and also it makes it easier for readers to read when split into different standalone articles. Galaxybeing ( talk) 06:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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The page was created by a now-blocked sock puppet. The content within the page appears to be entirely made up; a lot of the entries listed are actually the works of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay (could be a case of WP:HOAX). Not to mention that we already have the article Adaptations of works of Rabindranath Tagore in film and television, which would only make this page a redundant duplicate. Keivan.f Talk 05:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete WP:HOAX should be deleted immediately Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A redundant duplicate at best. Commonssense ( talk) 06:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NSPORT. Generally, within the Czech football system, only professional competitions have separate season articles. This is not a professional competition and imho does not belong in the encyclopedia. FromCzech ( talk) 05:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I have done a preliminary WP:BEFORE and while I am finding insignificant coverage in notable mainstream media, coverage encompassing WP:SIGCOV and WP:CORPDEPTH in independent reliable coverage in publications with high level of WP:AUD is not met. Graywalls ( talk) 05:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Unnecessary disambiguation page. The guideline WP:Broad-concept article says not to create a dab page when we already have an article— Israeli-occupied territories—that covers all of the subjects listed on the dab page (and has convenient links for the subtopics in the first few sentences of the lead). ( t · c) buidhe 03:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- If someone google, Israeli occupation and reaches west bank occupation - disambiguation page may be used to direct to appropriate page they are looking for Astropulse ( talk) 03:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l ( talk) 03:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete the article sounds like a WP:DICTIONARY definition Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I'm trying to evaluate
WP:ENT, but
Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice
Zuko in
A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of
Martin Mystery and
The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable.
jlwoodwa (
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06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- He also voiced Samson in
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and
a review describes Samson as the plot's
initial catalyst
. That looks like asignificant role
to me. jlwoodwa ( talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him.
Notability not inherited -
Altenmann
>talk
18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll paraphrase the part of
WP:ENT that applies here:
An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows.
That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. " Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa ( talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. -
Altenmann
>talk
22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets.
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous).
jlwoodwa (
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23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) -
Altenmann
>talk
23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why
WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions.
jlwoodwa (
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06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. -
Altenmann
>talk
07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? It's not a red herring.
WP:NOR literally states that
This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards.
Can you explain why you thinkwe need
those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa ( talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and
WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. -
Altenmann
>talk
16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before,
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources.
I'm only objecting to your statement thatone needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research.
jlwoodwa ( talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before,
- Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and
WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. -
Altenmann
>talk
16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? It's not a red herring.
WP:NOR literally states that
- Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. -
Altenmann
>talk
07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why
WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions.
jlwoodwa (
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06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) -
Altenmann
>talk
23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets.
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous).
jlwoodwa (
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23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. -
Altenmann
>talk
22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll paraphrase the part of
WP:ENT that applies here:
- Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him.
Notability not inherited -
Altenmann
>talk
18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa ( talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- He also voiced Samson in
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and
a review describes Samson as the plot's
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, interesting discussion but we need some firm opinions on what should happen with this article and so far, I don't see any other than the nominator's. As for sources, I've seen dozens of actors' bios at AFD and "significant role" is typically judged not by a reliable source that says, exactly, that an actor's role was significant but by whether their character is listed as a main character in the film information. But there have been successful arguments that some supporting roles are also significant so there is an element of subjectivity involved.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Liz summarized the discussion correctly: we need sources that the actor had significant role, i.e., they were either among main characters (no further sources needed) or among supporting roles which were somehow noted by critics (e.g. award for "best supporting role" (but in the latter case it is for notability anyway), or other mentions, eg I saw statements that this or that secondary role unexpectedly rose to prominence in a film due to actor's extraordinary acting). -
Altenmann
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03:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- <sigh> I have to go against my own nom, since nobody else bothers: Tomassian voiced Kaworu Nagisa (in French dubbing), definitely among main chars. - Altenmann >talk 03:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG or WP:NTEAM. Let'srun ( talk) 02:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from independent sources to meet the WP:GNG and WP:NTEAM. Let'srun ( talk) 02:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: per nom. C F A 💬 04:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I do not believe there is sufficient mainstream reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP and WP:NCRYPTO. Uhooep ( talk) 01:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I am not convinced there is sufficient mainstream reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP and WP:NCRYPTO. Uhooep ( talk) 01:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Forks upon forks upon forks of Kamala Harris pages. should be deleted and merged back to the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Some of the content of the page didn't even come from the main article, so a merge back doesn't make sense. This is a notable WP:SUMMARY article on the public image including sub-topics such as KHive and merging it into the main article makes not sense on the basis of WP:SIZERULE (which only after the recent size-splits, all of which you decided to mass-nominate for deletion, has gotten back to readable size based on our guidelines). Raladic ( talk) 06:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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This another recent fork of Kamala Harris Should be deleted and merged back into the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - This was a proper WP:SIZESPLIT of an article that is 3500 words, suggesting to merge it back into the main article that is sitting at 6200 words after the split makes no sense. Raladic ( talk) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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This is a fork of Kamala Harris. This should be deleted and merged into the main page. Bohbye ( talk) 05:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify the discussion to a propose split is still ongoing (See
Talk:Kamala Harris#Split proposal) Warm Regards,
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05:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- And pretty much everyone there is opposing it. Bohbye ( talk) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This was a proper WP:SIZESPLIT of an article that is 2800 words, suggesting to merge it back into the main article that is sitting at 6200 words after the split makes no sense. Raladic ( talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. This article is well sourced. Merging back into the main page doesn't make sense since there was a WP:SIZESPLIT proposal already being discussed and also it makes it easier for readers to read when split into different standalone articles. Galaxybeing ( talk) 06:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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The page was created by a now-blocked sock puppet. The content within the page appears to be entirely made up; a lot of the entries listed are actually the works of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay (could be a case of WP:HOAX). Not to mention that we already have the article Adaptations of works of Rabindranath Tagore in film and television, which would only make this page a redundant duplicate. Keivan.f Talk 05:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete WP:HOAX should be deleted immediately Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A redundant duplicate at best. Commonssense ( talk) 06:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NSPORT. Generally, within the Czech football system, only professional competitions have separate season articles. This is not a professional competition and imho does not belong in the encyclopedia. FromCzech ( talk) 05:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I have done a preliminary WP:BEFORE and while I am finding insignificant coverage in notable mainstream media, coverage encompassing WP:SIGCOV and WP:CORPDEPTH in independent reliable coverage in publications with high level of WP:AUD is not met. Graywalls ( talk) 05:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Unnecessary disambiguation page. The guideline WP:Broad-concept article says not to create a dab page when we already have an article— Israeli-occupied territories—that covers all of the subjects listed on the dab page (and has convenient links for the subtopics in the first few sentences of the lead). ( t · c) buidhe 03:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- If someone google, Israeli occupation and reaches west bank occupation - disambiguation page may be used to direct to appropriate page they are looking for Astropulse ( talk) 03:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I'm trying to evaluate
WP:ENT, but
Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice
Zuko in
A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of
Martin Mystery and
The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable.
jlwoodwa (
talk)
06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- He also voiced Samson in
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and
a review describes Samson as the plot's
initial catalyst
. That looks like asignificant role
to me. jlwoodwa ( talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him.
Notability not inherited -
Altenmann
>talk
18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll paraphrase the part of
WP:ENT that applies here:
An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows.
That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. " Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa ( talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)- I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. -
Altenmann
>talk
22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets.
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous).
jlwoodwa (
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23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) -
Altenmann
>talk
23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why
WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions.
jlwoodwa (
talk)
06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. -
Altenmann
>talk
07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? It's not a red herring.
WP:NOR literally states that
This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards.
Can you explain why you thinkwe need
those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa ( talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and
WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. -
Altenmann
>talk
16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before,
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources.
I'm only objecting to your statement thatone needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research.
jlwoodwa ( talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)- I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before,
- Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and
WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. -
Altenmann
>talk
16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? It's not a red herring.
WP:NOR literally states that
- Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. -
Altenmann
>talk
07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why
WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions.
jlwoodwa (
talk)
06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) -
Altenmann
>talk
23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets.
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous).
jlwoodwa (
talk)
23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. -
Altenmann
>talk
22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll paraphrase the part of
WP:ENT that applies here:
- Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him.
Notability not inherited -
Altenmann
>talk
18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa ( talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- He also voiced Samson in
Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and
a review describes Samson as the plot's
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, interesting discussion but we need some firm opinions on what should happen with this article and so far, I don't see any other than the nominator's. As for sources, I've seen dozens of actors' bios at AFD and "significant role" is typically judged not by a reliable source that says, exactly, that an actor's role was significant but by whether their character is listed as a main character in the film information. But there have been successful arguments that some supporting roles are also significant so there is an element of subjectivity involved.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Liz summarized the discussion correctly: we need sources that the actor had significant role, i.e., they were either among main characters (no further sources needed) or among supporting roles which were somehow noted by critics (e.g. award for "best supporting role" (but in the latter case it is for notability anyway), or other mentions, eg I saw statements that this or that secondary role unexpectedly rose to prominence in a film due to actor's extraordinary acting). -
Altenmann
>talk
03:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- <sigh> I have to go against my own nom, since nobody else bothers: Tomassian voiced Kaworu Nagisa (in French dubbing), definitely among main chars. - Altenmann >talk 03:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG or WP:NTEAM. Let'srun ( talk) 02:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Already at AFD as part of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore women's junior national softball team so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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- Delete: per nom. C F A 💬 04:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from independent sources to meet the WP:GNG and WP:NTEAM. Let'srun ( talk) 02:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom Traumnovelle ( talk) 05:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already at AFD as part of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore women's junior national softball team so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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- Delete: per nom. C F A 💬 04:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity ( talk) ( contribs) 05:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I do not believe there is sufficient mainstream reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP and WP:NCRYPTO. Uhooep ( talk) 01:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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I am not convinced there is sufficient mainstream reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP and WP:NCRYPTO. Uhooep ( talk) 01:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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