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The result was no consensus. I am closing this particular discussion as no consensus; however, it seems that the community discussion is starting to ask bigger picture questions about this particular list series in general. That particular discussion may fall more in the realm of WP:RFC. Because of this, I will initiate an RFC on Talk:List of sovereign states on the topic. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article is an unnecessary content fork from List of sovereign states. That previous long-standing article contains the current list of states, and not all sovereign states in history, so it is the list for now which happens to be the 2020s. Therefore this newer article's claim of being more specific is nonsensical. The page creator's research efforts could be used to improve the original article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 22:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 22:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Oppose (Strongly) – the reason we have a page for " List of sovereign states in the 2020s" is that it's part of a collection of articles detailing sovereign states and geopolitical changes of the creation or dissolving of sovereign states across history, like " List of sovereign states in the 2010s", " ...2000s", " ...1990s", " ...1980s", " ...1970s", " ...1960s", " ...1950s", " ...1940s", " ...1930s", " ...1920s", " ...1910s", etc. It's part of a complete set of historical-reference articles. Paintspot Infez ( talk) 22:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to keep. See
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS
Lightburst (
talk)
22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Also, if that is even a problem worth considering, a much better solution would be to re-title the main List of sovereign states article to include something like "current". There is no convincing reason for two list articles to feature the exact same list. The point of the decade-by-decade articles can be to illustrate old sovereign states that no longer exist. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 23:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Without prejudice to deletion (indeed, see my comment below),
some stuff exists for a reason. As said there,
Non-fiction literature, such as an encyclopedia, is expected to be internally consistent.
As this is too soon, I prefer merging to deleting (and refactoring to merging). – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to keep. See
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS
Lightburst (
talk)
22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete not necessary WP:REDUNDANTFORK See List of sovereign states for duplicated information. There is room in that article for sovereign states through the decades. Lightburst ( talk) 22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete, too soon until a major change happens — like Ambazonia or Bougainville becoming an independent state. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm not convinced that this series of articles is particularly well-read. For example, for the last two and a half years until a few minutes ago, List of sovereign states in the 1940s has claimed that the United States was a member of the League of Nations until 1945. The same article says that the 1940s list includes "one state which was initially unrecognized but then gained full recognition later in the decade" but gives no indication of which country that is. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect I have worked a bit on the previous lists: there used to be individual articles for every year instead of decade, so that's really some duplication and opportunity for unread errors per Metropolitan90! At this point the 2020s list serves zero purpose whatsoever, but may do so once there is a change from the main current list (which should also keep the current name for conciseness). Reywas92 Talk 01:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. The whole conception of this article and all the other articles for decades before this are completely terrible. But I can't support a keep nor a delete. I believe a better way to document this content is in timelines. It can be in one article, or multiple articles, but definitely the way it is now needs to change. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Refactor per Ajf773; failing that merge into current list until a there is a change (in countries, not our practices). I agree with Ajf773 that the current way of doing things is inefficient. Perhaps different "eras" may be used (such as the interwar period), but that itself poses problems in original research. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 02:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. I am closing this particular discussion as no consensus; however, it seems that the community discussion is starting to ask bigger picture questions about this particular list series in general. That particular discussion may fall more in the realm of WP:RFC. Because of this, I will initiate an RFC on Talk:List of sovereign states on the topic. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article is an unnecessary content fork from List of sovereign states. That previous long-standing article contains the current list of states, and not all sovereign states in history, so it is the list for now which happens to be the 2020s. Therefore this newer article's claim of being more specific is nonsensical. The page creator's research efforts could be used to improve the original article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 22:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 22:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 22:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose (Strongly) – the reason we have a page for " List of sovereign states in the 2020s" is that it's part of a collection of articles detailing sovereign states and geopolitical changes of the creation or dissolving of sovereign states across history, like " List of sovereign states in the 2010s", " ...2000s", " ...1990s", " ...1980s", " ...1970s", " ...1960s", " ...1950s", " ...1940s", " ...1930s", " ...1920s", " ...1910s", etc. It's part of a complete set of historical-reference articles. Paintspot Infez ( talk) 22:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to keep. See
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS
Lightburst (
talk)
22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Also, if that is even a problem worth considering, a much better solution would be to re-title the main List of sovereign states article to include something like "current". There is no convincing reason for two list articles to feature the exact same list. The point of the decade-by-decade articles can be to illustrate old sovereign states that no longer exist. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 23:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Without prejudice to deletion (indeed, see my comment below),
some stuff exists for a reason. As said there,
Non-fiction literature, such as an encyclopedia, is expected to be internally consistent.
As this is too soon, I prefer merging to deleting (and refactoring to merging). – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to keep. See
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS
Lightburst (
talk)
22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete not necessary WP:REDUNDANTFORK See List of sovereign states for duplicated information. There is room in that article for sovereign states through the decades. Lightburst ( talk) 22:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 April 3. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 23:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, too soon until a major change happens — like Ambazonia or Bougainville becoming an independent state. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm not convinced that this series of articles is particularly well-read. For example, for the last two and a half years until a few minutes ago, List of sovereign states in the 1940s has claimed that the United States was a member of the League of Nations until 1945. The same article says that the 1940s list includes "one state which was initially unrecognized but then gained full recognition later in the decade" but gives no indication of which country that is. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect I have worked a bit on the previous lists: there used to be individual articles for every year instead of decade, so that's really some duplication and opportunity for unread errors per Metropolitan90! At this point the 2020s list serves zero purpose whatsoever, but may do so once there is a change from the main current list (which should also keep the current name for conciseness). Reywas92 Talk 01:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. The whole conception of this article and all the other articles for decades before this are completely terrible. But I can't support a keep nor a delete. I believe a better way to document this content is in timelines. It can be in one article, or multiple articles, but definitely the way it is now needs to change. Ajf773 ( talk) 08:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Refactor per Ajf773; failing that merge into current list until a there is a change (in countries, not our practices). I agree with Ajf773 that the current way of doing things is inefficient. Perhaps different "eras" may be used (such as the interwar period), but that itself poses problems in original research. – John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 02:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.