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The result was keep. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:30, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
List of recordings of songs Hal Blaine played on
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Per WP:DEL7. Subject played on over 35,000 sessions and so the list will never be comprehensive. Only two sourced entries since article was created in 2010. This is a project better suited to a record database like Discogs, not Wikipedia Ilovetopaint ( talk) 02:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. The parent article, while far from complete, lists a number of high-charting and Grammy-winning songs and albums on which Hal Blaine played. That should be more than adequate. szyslak ( t) 03:55, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 04:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. This was arguably the most important figure to play his instrument in the history of popular music, at least since it began being recorded. This is not an exhaustive list, it is just the list to recordings important enough for Wikipedia to already have articles on them. As such, I would also point out the DEL7 is a crock here, because most of those articles that are linked list him. No, the listing in the article is not sufficient. There is an entire separate discography age for Nancy Sinatra; this guy walks all over her in importance. I'm stunned this would be an issue. I really am. Teikovo ( talk) 14:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This musician, as a drummer, did not put out solo or substantially-solo works and so does not have a discography article as, say, a vocalist or keyboardist might. But he was legendary, and part of that is the wide range of styles that this article documents. This article is analogous to a discography for other musicians. It is badly in need of sourcing, but that's not a deletion discussion. TJRC ( talk) 20:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- As an additional note, I don't think that the stated basis for deletion, WP:DEL7 ("Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed"), applies here. Yes, the article needs sources, and has been tagged for a very long time. But time alone is not evidence that anyone has undertaken "thorough attempts to find reliable sources" and that those attempts have failed.
- A recent edit deleted all the unsourced entries. Ordinarily I'd be okay with that (or even do that myself), but given that the musician's recent death and this AfD, and the concomitant attention both of those things generate, I'd leave that for some period longer to assist the editors who have already begun to add sources, correcting the only real problem this article has. TJRC ( talk) 19:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The list on the Hal Blaine article is more specific and is little more than 25% the size of the list in this article. Rather than adequate justification for deletion of this article, it qualifies the continued presence of this article. If it calls for a change, perhaps that change is to move the entries of recordings from the Hal Blaine article and maintain this as the sole location AND expand it. Additionally, few - if any - musicians contributed to the success of so much music without being recognized widely as a "celebrity" in the ways that Elvis, Dolly Parton or Cliff Richard might be, and even when added together, the output of those celebrities doesn't begin to approach the size of Blaine's. The fact that it's unlikely to ever be complete (less than 0.2% of his total contributions) does not mean it's unworthy as a WP article. If it was OK for such as Discogs to be the only repository of the information, there would be a good case for deletion of all articles about individual films or actors, because IMDB does the job already. WP is more encyclopedic than either of those, not an enhanced list, and it's arguably more accurate as it is somewhat sourced and policed more effectively. It makes perfect sense for an article on the man himself and a separately organized article listing his involvement in some of the most well known recordings of music. It lacks sources, but that's not enough to delete it. Twistlethrop ( talk) 06:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The volume, the duration and diversity of Hal Blaine's career makes this list notable.-- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:30, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
List of recordings of songs Hal Blaine played on
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Per WP:DEL7. Subject played on over 35,000 sessions and so the list will never be comprehensive. Only two sourced entries since article was created in 2010. This is a project better suited to a record database like Discogs, not Wikipedia Ilovetopaint ( talk) 02:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 March 13. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 02:58, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. The parent article, while far from complete, lists a number of high-charting and Grammy-winning songs and albums on which Hal Blaine played. That should be more than adequate. szyslak ( t) 03:55, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 04:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 04:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This was arguably the most important figure to play his instrument in the history of popular music, at least since it began being recorded. This is not an exhaustive list, it is just the list to recordings important enough for Wikipedia to already have articles on them. As such, I would also point out the DEL7 is a crock here, because most of those articles that are linked list him. No, the listing in the article is not sufficient. There is an entire separate discography age for Nancy Sinatra; this guy walks all over her in importance. I'm stunned this would be an issue. I really am. Teikovo ( talk) 14:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This musician, as a drummer, did not put out solo or substantially-solo works and so does not have a discography article as, say, a vocalist or keyboardist might. But he was legendary, and part of that is the wide range of styles that this article documents. This article is analogous to a discography for other musicians. It is badly in need of sourcing, but that's not a deletion discussion. TJRC ( talk) 20:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- As an additional note, I don't think that the stated basis for deletion, WP:DEL7 ("Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed"), applies here. Yes, the article needs sources, and has been tagged for a very long time. But time alone is not evidence that anyone has undertaken "thorough attempts to find reliable sources" and that those attempts have failed.
- A recent edit deleted all the unsourced entries. Ordinarily I'd be okay with that (or even do that myself), but given that the musician's recent death and this AfD, and the concomitant attention both of those things generate, I'd leave that for some period longer to assist the editors who have already begun to add sources, correcting the only real problem this article has. TJRC ( talk) 19:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The list on the Hal Blaine article is more specific and is little more than 25% the size of the list in this article. Rather than adequate justification for deletion of this article, it qualifies the continued presence of this article. If it calls for a change, perhaps that change is to move the entries of recordings from the Hal Blaine article and maintain this as the sole location AND expand it. Additionally, few - if any - musicians contributed to the success of so much music without being recognized widely as a "celebrity" in the ways that Elvis, Dolly Parton or Cliff Richard might be, and even when added together, the output of those celebrities doesn't begin to approach the size of Blaine's. The fact that it's unlikely to ever be complete (less than 0.2% of his total contributions) does not mean it's unworthy as a WP article. If it was OK for such as Discogs to be the only repository of the information, there would be a good case for deletion of all articles about individual films or actors, because IMDB does the job already. WP is more encyclopedic than either of those, not an enhanced list, and it's arguably more accurate as it is somewhat sourced and policed more effectively. It makes perfect sense for an article on the man himself and a separately organized article listing his involvement in some of the most well known recordings of music. It lacks sources, but that's not enough to delete it. Twistlethrop ( talk) 06:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The volume, the duration and diversity of Hal Blaine's career makes this list notable.-- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.