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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
List of people on the postage stamps of Burundi
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Survived a prod in 2009 despite having only two people on it. In the eleven years since, the list hasn't changed one iota, just like all these other "list of people on the postage stamps of X" articles. This is almost speedy-worthy but it doesn't fit into any of the categories Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Deprod rationale is based solely on the existence of numerous entries at Lists of people on postage stamps, many of which are being deleted or never existed in the first place. 25 pageviews in the past 90 days. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Lists of people on postage stamps should probably be reorganised a different way so it doesn't invite these kinds of miniscule lists. ~XyNq t c 05:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly trivial. What literature I've seen that mentions people on Burundian stamps is confined strictly to the people themselves (aka the articles where that information can be covered), not about the stamps of the phenomenon of putting people on Burundian stamps.
Heck, we don't even have an article on postage stamps of Burundi. - Indy beetle ( talk) 12:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC) - Delete This is utterly trivial. It is also a common problem when crufts go wild. We have this article but not
Postage stamps of Burundi or
Postal system of Burundi. Looking at
Lists of people on postage stamps it is a 1 source article that is making all sorts of statements about when stamps were issued. No one has explained anywhere why we should have articles that are "list of people on postage stamps of x place" and not
List of animals on postage stamps of Burundi,
List of buildings on postage stamps of Burundi, etc?
Lists of people on postage stamps seems largely to be trying to duplicate
List of years various entities issued postage stamps. I am not sure that even having that list makes sense. Some of the places suggested were places like Katanga, with no recognition and never stable. This is starting to remind me of the lists of each state leader by year we used to have. I spent hours upon hours of adding various leaders of states in south Asia and Africa to the 1759 article, yet since then we realized that such a worldwide comprehensive list, at least pre about 1902, was too unwidely to make sense, plus there were way too many places where we knew who was in charge, but not exactly what years.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 14:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We now have articles like this List of state leaders in the 20th century (1901–1950). It covers a lot more semi-recognized places and protectorates than the old list did that had a seperate article for each year. In the same way Lists of people on postage stamps might be much better if it said more substantive things about a few places. For example the one note is about a place that only ever had one person on its stamps. It is still not clear to me why the people on stamps is something worth noting, more so than other things shown on stamps. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting, do we even have Lists of buildings on postage stamps and Lists of animals on postage stamps. Or even Lists of postage stamps. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Lists of people on postage stamps is deceptively long. For example there are at least 2 other entries that are just redirects to Botswana (which is an article that lacks any sources, and is currently up for Proposed deltion). I found one entry that was just a redirect to Peter the Great. Those problems were just through B. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- One entry in the category is actually a redirect to
Postage stamps and postal history of Western New Guinea, which I am still not sure is really well sourced enough to justify such an article, but it does have some sources which is more than we can say for some of these articles. Do we have
Postage stamps and postal history of Burundi? Is postal history really a topic we always need to cover seperately, or should in some cases it be part of a broader article on communication in an area?
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We do have the article on Burundi, but it is sourced just to one stamp catalogue, so I am not even sure that article has enough sourcing to pass GNG. Clearly we need to cut back on the amount of philately cruft we have, and repurpose these articles to say more about postal history and less about individual stamps. Postal history, the access to this form of communication, does matter. What pictures people chose to put on stamps, not so much.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, OK, if you look at
Economy of San Marino you will find a place that has managed to make stamp selling a key part of its economy. That is fairly rare though.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- And yet the list of people for San Marino redirect to Postage stamps and postal history of San Marino. I am not convinced than any of these articles need to exist indepdent of those articles. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, OK, if you look at
Economy of San Marino you will find a place that has managed to make stamp selling a key part of its economy. That is fairly rare though.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We do have the article on Burundi, but it is sourced just to one stamp catalogue, so I am not even sure that article has enough sourcing to pass GNG. Clearly we need to cut back on the amount of philately cruft we have, and repurpose these articles to say more about postal history and less about individual stamps. Postal history, the access to this form of communication, does matter. What pictures people chose to put on stamps, not so much.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment another factor of creating such long lists is that it leads to huge numbers of under maintained links. Are we even sure that all the blue links we have on these articles are going to the right place? I know I have seen some redlinks I am sure we have articles on the subject, the entry was just incorrectly formatted. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, all of these are unmaintained and unmaintainable, failing WP:LISTN. Jacona ( talk) 13:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is something for another kind of project, outside of Wikipedia. BD2412 T 21:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
List of people on the postage stamps of Burundi
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- List of people on the postage stamps of Burundi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Survived a prod in 2009 despite having only two people on it. In the eleven years since, the list hasn't changed one iota, just like all these other "list of people on the postage stamps of X" articles. This is almost speedy-worthy but it doesn't fit into any of the categories Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Deprod rationale is based solely on the existence of numerous entries at Lists of people on postage stamps, many of which are being deleted or never existed in the first place. 25 pageviews in the past 90 days. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Lists of people on postage stamps should probably be reorganised a different way so it doesn't invite these kinds of miniscule lists. ~XyNq t c 05:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Utterly trivial. What literature I've seen that mentions people on Burundian stamps is confined strictly to the people themselves (aka the articles where that information can be covered), not about the stamps of the phenomenon of putting people on Burundian stamps.
Heck, we don't even have an article on postage stamps of Burundi. - Indy beetle ( talk) 12:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC) - Delete This is utterly trivial. It is also a common problem when crufts go wild. We have this article but not
Postage stamps of Burundi or
Postal system of Burundi. Looking at
Lists of people on postage stamps it is a 1 source article that is making all sorts of statements about when stamps were issued. No one has explained anywhere why we should have articles that are "list of people on postage stamps of x place" and not
List of animals on postage stamps of Burundi,
List of buildings on postage stamps of Burundi, etc?
Lists of people on postage stamps seems largely to be trying to duplicate
List of years various entities issued postage stamps. I am not sure that even having that list makes sense. Some of the places suggested were places like Katanga, with no recognition and never stable. This is starting to remind me of the lists of each state leader by year we used to have. I spent hours upon hours of adding various leaders of states in south Asia and Africa to the 1759 article, yet since then we realized that such a worldwide comprehensive list, at least pre about 1902, was too unwidely to make sense, plus there were way too many places where we knew who was in charge, but not exactly what years.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 14:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We now have articles like this List of state leaders in the 20th century (1901–1950). It covers a lot more semi-recognized places and protectorates than the old list did that had a seperate article for each year. In the same way Lists of people on postage stamps might be much better if it said more substantive things about a few places. For example the one note is about a place that only ever had one person on its stamps. It is still not clear to me why the people on stamps is something worth noting, more so than other things shown on stamps. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting, do we even have Lists of buildings on postage stamps and Lists of animals on postage stamps. Or even Lists of postage stamps. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Lists of people on postage stamps is deceptively long. For example there are at least 2 other entries that are just redirects to Botswana (which is an article that lacks any sources, and is currently up for Proposed deltion). I found one entry that was just a redirect to Peter the Great. Those problems were just through B. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- One entry in the category is actually a redirect to
Postage stamps and postal history of Western New Guinea, which I am still not sure is really well sourced enough to justify such an article, but it does have some sources which is more than we can say for some of these articles. Do we have
Postage stamps and postal history of Burundi? Is postal history really a topic we always need to cover seperately, or should in some cases it be part of a broader article on communication in an area?
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We do have the article on Burundi, but it is sourced just to one stamp catalogue, so I am not even sure that article has enough sourcing to pass GNG. Clearly we need to cut back on the amount of philately cruft we have, and repurpose these articles to say more about postal history and less about individual stamps. Postal history, the access to this form of communication, does matter. What pictures people chose to put on stamps, not so much.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, OK, if you look at
Economy of San Marino you will find a place that has managed to make stamp selling a key part of its economy. That is fairly rare though.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- And yet the list of people for San Marino redirect to Postage stamps and postal history of San Marino. I am not convinced than any of these articles need to exist indepdent of those articles. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, OK, if you look at
Economy of San Marino you will find a place that has managed to make stamp selling a key part of its economy. That is fairly rare though.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We do have the article on Burundi, but it is sourced just to one stamp catalogue, so I am not even sure that article has enough sourcing to pass GNG. Clearly we need to cut back on the amount of philately cruft we have, and repurpose these articles to say more about postal history and less about individual stamps. Postal history, the access to this form of communication, does matter. What pictures people chose to put on stamps, not so much.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment another factor of creating such long lists is that it leads to huge numbers of under maintained links. Are we even sure that all the blue links we have on these articles are going to the right place? I know I have seen some redlinks I am sure we have articles on the subject, the entry was just incorrectly formatted. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, all of these are unmaintained and unmaintainable, failing WP:LISTN. Jacona ( talk) 13:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is something for another kind of project, outside of Wikipedia. BD2412 T 21:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.