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There is no way this page could ever satisfy
WP:NPOV because terms like "dictator" and "support" can be subjectively debated, leaving this page in violation of
WP:NOTADVOCACY. Whereas
List of wars involving the United States can sort through the subjectivity of distinguishing skirmishes from wars by criteria like named military operations, the "support" for a dictatorship could easily range from diplomatic recognition to outright military and economic alliances. For example, why not include
Kim Jong Un on the tenuous basis of Trump's visits providing North Korea's dictatorship with greater legitimacy?
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
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01:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Great suggestion! My issue with this list article is that the format suggests objective criteria for inclusion, but an article on this area US foreign policy seems appropriate. It looks like that article could benefit from some organization, such as Cold War alliances and War on Terror alliances. I will try improving that article with some of this one's content over the next few days, but I will leave this deletion discussion open in case others have more suggestions.
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
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16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Agree, the table isn't appropriate here as it implies a list of identical things, and there's too much nuance and variation. A list with more narrative would be better.
Orange sticker (
talk)
08:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Does Trump really support dictator Kim Jong-un? While US presidents who support other dictators often show it directly or vaguely or conceal it, Trump does not have the above signs. Don't talk about Trump's visit to North Korea to speculate, or if you As an anti-Trump person, there is nothing to discuss. What I read is that the tabloids, or at least the opposing views, cannot place Kim Jong-un here, for the List of wars involving the United States, because it begins started before it was even founded, and support for dictatorship only started from the 1920s onwards, so this argument is not practically applicable, if you mean the term "state dictatorship", "support" is a violation of WP:NOTADVOCACY, this site does not even have anything to defame, affecting the honor and responsibility of the United States or the US government, what they do is their reputation. Their intention, purpose, and actions, they invaded other countries and bombed and burned. It's their fault, no one else's, this article is not even a propaganda thing or a "battlefield" as WP:NOTADVOCACY mentioned, if you read carefully, this is an informative article. complete, with correct sources. For merging with U.S. policy towards authoritarian governments, there are things that have not been mentioned (or literally missing) in this article, so it would be better to have a separate page.
Geotubemedia (
talk)
17:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi @
Geotubemedia, it seems you started editing last month, so I want to clarify that merging is different from redirecting. As you note, each article contains some information not present in the other, so merging would involve combining the total sum of their information into the same article. I am not approaching this deletion discussion from a particular viewpoint, instead hoping to show that a list article is ripe for edit wars because this hypothetical anti-Trump editor could speculate about whether Trump supports Kim Jong Un.
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
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11:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
There is no way this page could ever satisfy
WP:NPOV because terms like "dictator" and "support" can be subjectively debated, leaving this page in violation of
WP:NOTADVOCACY. Whereas
List of wars involving the United States can sort through the subjectivity of distinguishing skirmishes from wars by criteria like named military operations, the "support" for a dictatorship could easily range from diplomatic recognition to outright military and economic alliances. For example, why not include
Kim Jong Un on the tenuous basis of Trump's visits providing North Korea's dictatorship with greater legitimacy?
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
💬 )
01:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Great suggestion! My issue with this list article is that the format suggests objective criteria for inclusion, but an article on this area US foreign policy seems appropriate. It looks like that article could benefit from some organization, such as Cold War alliances and War on Terror alliances. I will try improving that article with some of this one's content over the next few days, but I will leave this deletion discussion open in case others have more suggestions.
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
💬 )
16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Agree, the table isn't appropriate here as it implies a list of identical things, and there's too much nuance and variation. A list with more narrative would be better.
Orange sticker (
talk)
08:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Does Trump really support dictator Kim Jong-un? While US presidents who support other dictators often show it directly or vaguely or conceal it, Trump does not have the above signs. Don't talk about Trump's visit to North Korea to speculate, or if you As an anti-Trump person, there is nothing to discuss. What I read is that the tabloids, or at least the opposing views, cannot place Kim Jong-un here, for the List of wars involving the United States, because it begins started before it was even founded, and support for dictatorship only started from the 1920s onwards, so this argument is not practically applicable, if you mean the term "state dictatorship", "support" is a violation of WP:NOTADVOCACY, this site does not even have anything to defame, affecting the honor and responsibility of the United States or the US government, what they do is their reputation. Their intention, purpose, and actions, they invaded other countries and bombed and burned. It's their fault, no one else's, this article is not even a propaganda thing or a "battlefield" as WP:NOTADVOCACY mentioned, if you read carefully, this is an informative article. complete, with correct sources. For merging with U.S. policy towards authoritarian governments, there are things that have not been mentioned (or literally missing) in this article, so it would be better to have a separate page.
Geotubemedia (
talk)
17:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi @
Geotubemedia, it seems you started editing last month, so I want to clarify that merging is different from redirecting. As you note, each article contains some information not present in the other, so merging would involve combining the total sum of their information into the same article. I am not approaching this deletion discussion from a particular viewpoint, instead hoping to show that a list article is ripe for edit wars because this hypothetical anti-Trump editor could speculate about whether Trump supports Kim Jong Un.
BluePenguin18 🐧 (
💬 )
11:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.