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The result was no consensus. postdlf ( talk) 17:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- List of contestants from the UK national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Clearly a duplicated overkill of information already covered at a variety of areas. All the winners can be found at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. The individual national selection shows can be found in annual articles at Category:United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. Plus there is also Eurovision: Your Country Needs You which covers basically the same information but in more coherent detail. Wes Mouse | chat 03:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Duplication of information in both lists and categories is not a reason to delete - see WP:NOTDUP. Andrew ( talk) 13:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Andrew Davidson: I'm not on about categories, what ever lead you to that? The article nominated for deletion is duplicating details about people who have represented the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest. All that information is already covered at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest, and Eurovision: Your Country Needs You. Plus within another 57 annual articles such as United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 2014. I only mentioned the category, as that was easier than listing all of the 57 annual articles individually. There are no articles that duplicate similar information for all the other 45+ countries who have taken part in Eurovision (for example List of contestants from the Austrian national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest), so why is the UK's "superior" to warrant a standalone article? Wes Mouse | T@lk 14:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- This is the English Wikipedia and so there will naturally be a particular interest in the UK entries here. If this information is scattered across dozens of articles, then this page seems quite helpful as a summary and to assist navigation. This is quite valid per WP:LISTPURP. Andrew ( talk) 16:03, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- All the summary information from this article is already in summary format at Eurovision: Your Country Needs You and has been for quite sometime. This article has few citations, an unsourced trivia section. Perhaps merging and redirect this article into Eurovision: Your Country Needs You, is more viable. Wes Mouse | T@lk 16:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Eurovision: Your Country Needs You has a misleading title which nobody seems to like. The title of the page in question is clearer and better so, if any merger is done, it should be in the other direction. In any case, that's all ordinary editing not deletion. AFD is not cleanup. Andrew ( talk) 18:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- How is it a misleading title? That was the most recent name for the show that took charge of selecting the UK's entry. And AFD is not just to discuss deletion nominees, but to also discuss other factors that may be better than deletion - such as if people feel merging, redirecting etc would be more appropriate. That is the whole point of a debate, a discussion process to find a consensus outcome. And I stand by my argument that this article is pure overkill of information that is already housed at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. Even the article talk page states that it is most likely a redundant/duplicated article. It is clear that all these articles are covering the same subject matter, which breaks the spirit of content forking, which states that "a content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject. Content forks that are created unintentionally result in redundant or conflicting articles and are to be avoided." And point 5 of the WP:DEL-REASON states that content forking is a valid reason for deletion, unless a merger or redirect is more appropriate. The only way we'd know if the other options are appropriate is through discussion via AfD. Wes Mouse | T@lk 19:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, that's more than enough discussion and I still don't agree with your proposal and so my !vote stands. Andrew ( talk) 19:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. postdlf ( talk) 17:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- List of contestants from the UK national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Clearly a duplicated overkill of information already covered at a variety of areas. All the winners can be found at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. The individual national selection shows can be found in annual articles at Category:United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. Plus there is also Eurovision: Your Country Needs You which covers basically the same information but in more coherent detail. Wes Mouse | chat 03:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 21:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 21:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Duplication of information in both lists and categories is not a reason to delete - see WP:NOTDUP. Andrew ( talk) 13:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Andrew Davidson: I'm not on about categories, what ever lead you to that? The article nominated for deletion is duplicating details about people who have represented the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest. All that information is already covered at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest, and Eurovision: Your Country Needs You. Plus within another 57 annual articles such as United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 2014. I only mentioned the category, as that was easier than listing all of the 57 annual articles individually. There are no articles that duplicate similar information for all the other 45+ countries who have taken part in Eurovision (for example List of contestants from the Austrian national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest), so why is the UK's "superior" to warrant a standalone article? Wes Mouse | T@lk 14:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- This is the English Wikipedia and so there will naturally be a particular interest in the UK entries here. If this information is scattered across dozens of articles, then this page seems quite helpful as a summary and to assist navigation. This is quite valid per WP:LISTPURP. Andrew ( talk) 16:03, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- All the summary information from this article is already in summary format at Eurovision: Your Country Needs You and has been for quite sometime. This article has few citations, an unsourced trivia section. Perhaps merging and redirect this article into Eurovision: Your Country Needs You, is more viable. Wes Mouse | T@lk 16:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Eurovision: Your Country Needs You has a misleading title which nobody seems to like. The title of the page in question is clearer and better so, if any merger is done, it should be in the other direction. In any case, that's all ordinary editing not deletion. AFD is not cleanup. Andrew ( talk) 18:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- How is it a misleading title? That was the most recent name for the show that took charge of selecting the UK's entry. And AFD is not just to discuss deletion nominees, but to also discuss other factors that may be better than deletion - such as if people feel merging, redirecting etc would be more appropriate. That is the whole point of a debate, a discussion process to find a consensus outcome. And I stand by my argument that this article is pure overkill of information that is already housed at United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest. Even the article talk page states that it is most likely a redundant/duplicated article. It is clear that all these articles are covering the same subject matter, which breaks the spirit of content forking, which states that "a content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject. Content forks that are created unintentionally result in redundant or conflicting articles and are to be avoided." And point 5 of the WP:DEL-REASON states that content forking is a valid reason for deletion, unless a merger or redirect is more appropriate. The only way we'd know if the other options are appropriate is through discussion via AfD. Wes Mouse | T@lk 19:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well, that's more than enough discussion and I still don't agree with your proposal and so my !vote stands. Andrew ( talk) 19:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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