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The result was delete. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 14:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
List of battles in England
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WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN WP:UNSOURCED. Follow-up to
- List of battles in Albania Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Albania
- List of battles in Algeria Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Algeria
- List of battles in Belgium Draftified
- List of battles in Croatia Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Croatia
- List of battles in Afghanistan Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Afghanistan
- List of battles in medieval India Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in medieval India
- List of conflicts in Egypt Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of conflicts in Egypt. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and England. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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Nederlandse Leeuw, I see no issues with the article, but it should have been merged not deleted. Am i getting this right. I split them because the parent article was very large, yet that lists don't have to be sourced. I would like to merge the content to
List of battles by geographic location. I have no idea why my creations are getting reduced; I am current not happy with it.
Toadette
Edit!
23:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, why don't you also nominate
List of battles by geographic location too?
Toadette
Edit!
23:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that you're not happy about the fact that I am successively nominating articles for deletion that you just so happen to have created. I rarely look at who created it, only at what the contents are, and how valuable they might be. I've got nothing against you or your work in particular. That said, these split-offs are a cut & paste job that takes less than 5 minutes of effort each. Recycling existing content is a lot easier than writing brand new articles with proper sourcing.
- The reason why I am nominating the lists is in this manner is that I am following a step-by-step approach, building broad consensus based on easy precedents before going on to complex cases. Since actively participating in CfD and AfD from 2023, I learnt that that is the most realistic strategy to solving issues, and avoid WP:TRAINWRECKs. The second reason is that List of battles by geographic location had already been AfD'd in 2022, closing as Keep but Split: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles by geographic location. If I still want to get it deleted anyway, then overturning that consensus is going to be difficult. The split-offs provide a good opportunity to show in smaller cases why creating lists of battles by modern countries' geographical borders is not very useful, and difficult to justify when done almost completely WP:UNSOURCED. It seems to be working, as 4 split-off lists have already been deleted, and a consensus has been building that they should be deleted, especially most recently in the Croatia case.
- The new round I am going for now is Afghanistan, England, Egypt, and medieval India. You didn't create the latter two articles, so this is nothing personal. If all 4 are deleted as proposed, then perhaps I may nominate List of battles by geographic location next. But we'll see what fellow editors have to say first. Good day. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, why don't you also nominate
List of battles by geographic location too?
Toadette
Edit!
23:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep -- This is a well-populated list, which provides better detail than is available from a category. It might be useful to purge by moving battles of the Civil War ( War of the three kingdoms into a more specific list. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: List of battles in Afghanistan, List of battles in medieval India and List of conflicts in Egypt have just been deleted with a lot of participants and almost unanimous support. I wonder why it's so quiet here. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Military history of England. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have two suggestions for Merging but with two different target articles.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- delete per running consensus. Not everything British is notable, and knowing the kings of England and quoting the fights historical will only get you so far. Mangoe ( talk) 21:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The consensuses in the other discussions raise the same issues found here, and given that, I don't see a compelling reason why England should be treated differently. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Mangoe & JoelleJay above. RobinCarmody ( talk) 22:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Just like other similar ones. Lorstaking ( talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Prehistoric Irish battles has been deleted. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prehistoric Irish battles. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 14:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
List of battles in England
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- List of battles in England ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN WP:UNSOURCED. Follow-up to
- List of battles in Albania Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Albania
- List of battles in Algeria Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Algeria
- List of battles in Belgium Draftified
- List of battles in Croatia Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Croatia
- List of battles in Afghanistan Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in Afghanistan
- List of battles in medieval India Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles in medieval India
- List of conflicts in Egypt Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of conflicts in Egypt. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and England. NLeeuw ( talk) 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Nederlandse Leeuw, I see no issues with the article, but it should have been merged not deleted. Am i getting this right. I split them because the parent article was very large, yet that lists don't have to be sourced. I would like to merge the content to
List of battles by geographic location. I have no idea why my creations are getting reduced; I am current not happy with it.
Toadette
Edit!
23:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, why don't you also nominate
List of battles by geographic location too?
Toadette
Edit!
23:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that you're not happy about the fact that I am successively nominating articles for deletion that you just so happen to have created. I rarely look at who created it, only at what the contents are, and how valuable they might be. I've got nothing against you or your work in particular. That said, these split-offs are a cut & paste job that takes less than 5 minutes of effort each. Recycling existing content is a lot easier than writing brand new articles with proper sourcing.
- The reason why I am nominating the lists is in this manner is that I am following a step-by-step approach, building broad consensus based on easy precedents before going on to complex cases. Since actively participating in CfD and AfD from 2023, I learnt that that is the most realistic strategy to solving issues, and avoid WP:TRAINWRECKs. The second reason is that List of battles by geographic location had already been AfD'd in 2022, closing as Keep but Split: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles by geographic location. If I still want to get it deleted anyway, then overturning that consensus is going to be difficult. The split-offs provide a good opportunity to show in smaller cases why creating lists of battles by modern countries' geographical borders is not very useful, and difficult to justify when done almost completely WP:UNSOURCED. It seems to be working, as 4 split-off lists have already been deleted, and a consensus has been building that they should be deleted, especially most recently in the Croatia case.
- The new round I am going for now is Afghanistan, England, Egypt, and medieval India. You didn't create the latter two articles, so this is nothing personal. If all 4 are deleted as proposed, then perhaps I may nominate List of battles by geographic location next. But we'll see what fellow editors have to say first. Good day. NLeeuw ( talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, why don't you also nominate
List of battles by geographic location too?
Toadette
Edit!
23:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep -- This is a well-populated list, which provides better detail than is available from a category. It might be useful to purge by moving battles of the Civil War ( War of the three kingdoms into a more specific list. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: List of battles in Afghanistan, List of battles in medieval India and List of conflicts in Egypt have just been deleted with a lot of participants and almost unanimous support. I wonder why it's so quiet here. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Military history of England. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have two suggestions for Merging but with two different target articles.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- delete per running consensus. Not everything British is notable, and knowing the kings of England and quoting the fights historical will only get you so far. Mangoe ( talk) 21:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The consensuses in the other discussions raise the same issues found here, and given that, I don't see a compelling reason why England should be treated differently. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Mangoe & JoelleJay above. RobinCarmody ( talk) 22:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Just like other similar ones. Lorstaking ( talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Prehistoric Irish battles has been deleted. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prehistoric Irish battles. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.