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The result was no consensus. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
List of Premier League overseas broadcasters
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Football, Lists, United Kingdom, and England. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Upon a search, I just get WP:PRIMARY sources from NBC, CBC, and tweets announcing who does which games. It's trivia and can be placed into the main broadcasting article. Conyo14 ( talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Relevant information and sources have been added to the article that will help give it more notability.
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]--
Claudio Fernag (
talk)
07:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:LISTCRUFT still applies, you think an article on some junk list makes a list notable, think again. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by Claudio Fernag. Esolo5002 ( talk) 13:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep GNG is well passed here and the sourcing for this list is certainly not in question, while the article is monitored closely to revert any errors or vandalism near immediately. We disqualify outright press releases, but certainly not reliable news sources, and the nominator is advised that they are perfectly acceptable to source a broadcast partner. Nate • ( chatter) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There are as of now, at least 84 different sources in the article to back up its notability efforts or quota. BornonJune8 ( talk) 9:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, but all but 6 are for articles, the rest are excuses to claim WP:RS. This argument is so 2007. Try harder next time. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 13:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete yes there are 84 sources, but not many are actually WP:SIGCOV of Premier League broadcasters, they're just saying "in country X, company Y have a contract for Z years and W money". I don't see any good quality sources e.g. linking overseas broadcasters together in one source (apart from [5], which is one source), which is a suggestion at WP:LISTN for when a list might be notable. This just read like a TV directory. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This article is the one on broadcasting rights that has the best and most sources, I see no reason to delete it, it is completely encyclopedic.
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PIKACHUNESS (
talk)
18:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like WP:ILIKEIT. An analysis of the sources would help. Conyo14 ( talk) 19:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is very valuable resource about the topic.
Regpath (
talk)
10:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Another WP:ILIKEIT, please provide a policy-based rationale for keeping. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- As usual, WP:ITSUSEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It is no longer just an article about a list of broadcasters as it was in the beginning, now a context has been added that gives it notability and verifiable and reliable sources have been added, so the information must be maintained, but maybe in this case what should be done is move this to
List of Premier League broadcasters, as it was previously, so that everything is grouped in a single article, both local and international rights.--
Edu1388 (
talk)
20:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would support the merge suggested above over deletion. Conyo14 ( talk) 23:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus here, one editor supporting a Merge but I see no target article mentioned here, just a proposal for a rename. This article has been expanded greatly since its nomination and a review of those newly added sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails NLIST, nothing in article shows this has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. Keep votes above found nothing that meets NLIST and are ILIKEIT votes, and the article does not serve any navigation purpose. If anyone finds independent sources meeting NLIST, ping me. // Timothy :: talk 13:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep These sorts of articles are up for deletion because of a misapplication of
WP:NOTTVGUIDE. The very first source in the article clearly talks about these as a set.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
16:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The very first source is from the Premier League, aka
WP:PRIMARY, so it cannot count.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine.
here.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
17:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- That source is a tv guide... hmm
Conyo14 (
talk)
18:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not - a TV guide tells you what's on when. That article lists the broadcasters, just as this article does.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- From the source you provided How to watch Premier League in Azerbaijan? TV channel and stream: ITV, Setanta Sports Highlights: Setanta Sports Average Kick Off Time: 18:00 AZT. From WP:NOTTVGUIDE: An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc.. I think the interpretation of this guideline is what we shall disagree on. That's ok. The merge target below I will find acceptable as an WP:ATD. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not - a TV guide tells you what's on when. That article lists the broadcasters, just as this article does.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- That source is a tv guide... hmm
Conyo14 (
talk)
18:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine.
here.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
17:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The very first source is from the Premier League, aka
WP:PRIMARY, so it cannot count.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:I think it is not a bad idea to join this article with List of Premier League broadcasters as proposed, but I do not know what the procedure is, if they will be merged or if this article will simply be deleted and this information will be moved as a section within the other.-- Claudio Fernag ( talk) 03:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
List of Premier League overseas broadcasters
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Football, Lists, United Kingdom, and England. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Upon a search, I just get WP:PRIMARY sources from NBC, CBC, and tweets announcing who does which games. It's trivia and can be placed into the main broadcasting article. Conyo14 ( talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Relevant information and sources have been added to the article that will help give it more notability.
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]--
Claudio Fernag (
talk)
07:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:LISTCRUFT still applies, you think an article on some junk list makes a list notable, think again. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by Claudio Fernag. Esolo5002 ( talk) 13:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep GNG is well passed here and the sourcing for this list is certainly not in question, while the article is monitored closely to revert any errors or vandalism near immediately. We disqualify outright press releases, but certainly not reliable news sources, and the nominator is advised that they are perfectly acceptable to source a broadcast partner. Nate • ( chatter) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There are as of now, at least 84 different sources in the article to back up its notability efforts or quota. BornonJune8 ( talk) 9:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, but all but 6 are for articles, the rest are excuses to claim WP:RS. This argument is so 2007. Try harder next time. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 13:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete yes there are 84 sources, but not many are actually WP:SIGCOV of Premier League broadcasters, they're just saying "in country X, company Y have a contract for Z years and W money". I don't see any good quality sources e.g. linking overseas broadcasters together in one source (apart from [5], which is one source), which is a suggestion at WP:LISTN for when a list might be notable. This just read like a TV directory. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This article is the one on broadcasting rights that has the best and most sources, I see no reason to delete it, it is completely encyclopedic.
-
PIKACHUNESS (
talk)
18:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like WP:ILIKEIT. An analysis of the sources would help. Conyo14 ( talk) 19:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is very valuable resource about the topic.
Regpath (
talk)
10:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Another WP:ILIKEIT, please provide a policy-based rationale for keeping. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- As usual, WP:ITSUSEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It is no longer just an article about a list of broadcasters as it was in the beginning, now a context has been added that gives it notability and verifiable and reliable sources have been added, so the information must be maintained, but maybe in this case what should be done is move this to
List of Premier League broadcasters, as it was previously, so that everything is grouped in a single article, both local and international rights.--
Edu1388 (
talk)
20:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would support the merge suggested above over deletion. Conyo14 ( talk) 23:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus here, one editor supporting a Merge but I see no target article mentioned here, just a proposal for a rename. This article has been expanded greatly since its nomination and a review of those newly added sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails NLIST, nothing in article shows this has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. Keep votes above found nothing that meets NLIST and are ILIKEIT votes, and the article does not serve any navigation purpose. If anyone finds independent sources meeting NLIST, ping me. // Timothy :: talk 13:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep These sorts of articles are up for deletion because of a misapplication of
WP:NOTTVGUIDE. The very first source in the article clearly talks about these as a set.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
16:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The very first source is from the Premier League, aka
WP:PRIMARY, so it cannot count.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine.
here.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
17:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- That source is a tv guide... hmm
Conyo14 (
talk)
18:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not - a TV guide tells you what's on when. That article lists the broadcasters, just as this article does.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- From the source you provided How to watch Premier League in Azerbaijan? TV channel and stream: ITV, Setanta Sports Highlights: Setanta Sports Average Kick Off Time: 18:00 AZT. From WP:NOTTVGUIDE: An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc.. I think the interpretation of this guideline is what we shall disagree on. That's ok. The merge target below I will find acceptable as an WP:ATD. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not - a TV guide tells you what's on when. That article lists the broadcasters, just as this article does.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- That source is a tv guide... hmm
Conyo14 (
talk)
18:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine.
here.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
17:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The very first source is from the Premier League, aka
WP:PRIMARY, so it cannot count.
Conyo14 (
talk)
16:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:I think it is not a bad idea to join this article with List of Premier League broadcasters as proposed, but I do not know what the procedure is, if they will be merged or if this article will simply be deleted and this information will be moved as a section within the other.-- Claudio Fernag ( talk) 03:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.