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The result was delete. I see a consensus to delete these articles. If editors would like to create redirects from these page titles, feel free to do so. Liz Read! Talk! 00:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
List of Ongoing History of New Music 2010s Episodes
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Violation of WP:NOT, specifically Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#NOTTVGUIDE; every single episode of this program is not "historically signfificant." Relies on a single primary source. Creator has been edit-warring with multiple accounts with no consensus in their favor. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio, Lists, and Canada. Shellwood ( talk) 21:33, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep:Hi Jamie,
- My understanding is that Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia. This is a radio documentary series and the intent of the WP:NOTTVGUIDE refers to "an article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules". This is neither current, promotional, or upcoming, but rather historical. I have fully referenced the episodes as requested when they were deleted from the main The Ongoing History of New Music page and formated them according guide found in the Template:Episode list. There are many many episode guides on Wikipedia and I am just trying to comply within the rules and keep getting the WP:NOTTVGUIDE put up which I believe is being referenced incorrectly.
- @ Ymblanter @ Ymblanter @ Captmondo
- Also, not sure why more then one source is required here, that link was a cummulitive list that was posted on the shows at the time current website with every show, title, and air date for the first 623 Episodes. It's the single best source of truth to be found for the first 13 years of the shows existance.
- I just want to comply within the rules and have this information available to the people who enjoy the show and who have used the information stored here since at least 2011.
- Zankof
Zankof (
talk) 22:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- You conveniently omitted the part of NOTTVGUIDE that says historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable. There is no indication any of those episodes are historically significant and I believe you'd find it impossible to present a case that these 900 episodes are historically significant.
- Based on your comments, I'd add WP:NOTWEBHOST may apply as well. Corus Entertainment's commercial website is where this belongs. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: I pulled this material out of the
The Ongoing History of New Music article as
Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#NOTTVGUIDE and
WP:NOR.
Here is where
Dheadspaceb declares that entire list of episodes to be their own
WP:OR.
Toddst1 (
talk) 22:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- But I did find an archived version of the shows website at the time that had a complete list dating all the way back to the beginning of the show along with all the titles and applicable original air dates. I really am trying to comply within the rules you keep referencing. You also did ask that if the information was reinstated that it have references and I did provide that. I cleaned up the list and made it more digestible and easier to read, I formated it according to the
Template:Episode list. There is no promotions, future schedules, or upcoming events. Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia, there are thousands of examples of them.
Zankof (
talk) 22:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- [1] http://www.exploremusic.com/ongoing-history-of-new-music/2009-05-27/Ongoing-History-On-Air-Schedule-Since-1993
- this page would confirm what may have been original research with a list that was provided by the staff of the show on the current website at the time back in 2009. I have pulled every link I can out of the wayback machine and the current shows website and referenced them. I have provided over 300 reference links for the pages in question. I had more links but when I found this link with a concise list of all the airing including reruns for 13 years, I thought it had more weight. Zankof ( talk) 23:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- But I did find an archived version of the shows website at the time that had a complete list dating all the way back to the beginning of the show along with all the titles and applicable original air dates. I really am trying to comply within the rules you keep referencing. You also did ask that if the information was reinstated that it have references and I did provide that. I cleaned up the list and made it more digestible and easier to read, I formated it according to the
Template:Episode list. There is no promotions, future schedules, or upcoming events. Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia, there are thousands of examples of them.
Zankof (
talk) 22:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Was List of Ongoing History of New Music 2000s episodes missed or was it intentionally left out? Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm pretty certain it was an accidental omission. I've
WP:BOLDly added it as housekeeping.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that was create after I created the AfD, otherwise I would've included it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm pretty certain it was an accidental omission. I've
WP:BOLDly added it as housekeeping.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The key to making these lists notable enough to be included in Wikipedia wouldn't be referencing the content to Alan Cross's own website — it would be referencing the list to third party media coverage about the episodes, offering evidence that they got third-party attention. Bearcat ( talk) 17:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect all to The Ongoing History of New Music as WP:NOTTVGUIDE. SBKSPP ( talk) 00:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete all then create a single generic redirect to The Ongoing History of New Music as WP:NOTTVGUIDE, no reason for multiple redirects in this case. // Timothy :: talk 11:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. I see a consensus to delete these articles. If editors would like to create redirects from these page titles, feel free to do so. Liz Read! Talk! 00:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
List of Ongoing History of New Music 2010s Episodes
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Violation of WP:NOT, specifically Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#NOTTVGUIDE; every single episode of this program is not "historically signfificant." Relies on a single primary source. Creator has been edit-warring with multiple accounts with no consensus in their favor. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio, Lists, and Canada. Shellwood ( talk) 21:33, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep:Hi Jamie,
- My understanding is that Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia. This is a radio documentary series and the intent of the WP:NOTTVGUIDE refers to "an article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules". This is neither current, promotional, or upcoming, but rather historical. I have fully referenced the episodes as requested when they were deleted from the main The Ongoing History of New Music page and formated them according guide found in the Template:Episode list. There are many many episode guides on Wikipedia and I am just trying to comply within the rules and keep getting the WP:NOTTVGUIDE put up which I believe is being referenced incorrectly.
- @ Ymblanter @ Ymblanter @ Captmondo
- Also, not sure why more then one source is required here, that link was a cummulitive list that was posted on the shows at the time current website with every show, title, and air date for the first 623 Episodes. It's the single best source of truth to be found for the first 13 years of the shows existance.
- I just want to comply within the rules and have this information available to the people who enjoy the show and who have used the information stored here since at least 2011.
- Zankof
Zankof (
talk) 22:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- You conveniently omitted the part of NOTTVGUIDE that says historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable. There is no indication any of those episodes are historically significant and I believe you'd find it impossible to present a case that these 900 episodes are historically significant.
- Based on your comments, I'd add WP:NOTWEBHOST may apply as well. Corus Entertainment's commercial website is where this belongs. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: I pulled this material out of the
The Ongoing History of New Music article as
Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#NOTTVGUIDE and
WP:NOR.
Here is where
Dheadspaceb declares that entire list of episodes to be their own
WP:OR.
Toddst1 (
talk) 22:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- But I did find an archived version of the shows website at the time that had a complete list dating all the way back to the beginning of the show along with all the titles and applicable original air dates. I really am trying to comply within the rules you keep referencing. You also did ask that if the information was reinstated that it have references and I did provide that. I cleaned up the list and made it more digestible and easier to read, I formated it according to the
Template:Episode list. There is no promotions, future schedules, or upcoming events. Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia, there are thousands of examples of them.
Zankof (
talk) 22:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- [1] http://www.exploremusic.com/ongoing-history-of-new-music/2009-05-27/Ongoing-History-On-Air-Schedule-Since-1993
- this page would confirm what may have been original research with a list that was provided by the staff of the show on the current website at the time back in 2009. I have pulled every link I can out of the wayback machine and the current shows website and referenced them. I have provided over 300 reference links for the pages in question. I had more links but when I found this link with a concise list of all the airing including reruns for 13 years, I thought it had more weight. Zankof ( talk) 23:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- But I did find an archived version of the shows website at the time that had a complete list dating all the way back to the beginning of the show along with all the titles and applicable original air dates. I really am trying to comply within the rules you keep referencing. You also did ask that if the information was reinstated that it have references and I did provide that. I cleaned up the list and made it more digestible and easier to read, I formated it according to the
Template:Episode list. There is no promotions, future schedules, or upcoming events. Episode guides are allowed on Wikipedia, there are thousands of examples of them.
Zankof (
talk) 22:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Was List of Ongoing History of New Music 2000s episodes missed or was it intentionally left out? Hey man im josh ( talk) 00:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm pretty certain it was an accidental omission. I've
WP:BOLDly added it as housekeeping.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that was create after I created the AfD, otherwise I would've included it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'm pretty certain it was an accidental omission. I've
WP:BOLDly added it as housekeeping.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The key to making these lists notable enough to be included in Wikipedia wouldn't be referencing the content to Alan Cross's own website — it would be referencing the list to third party media coverage about the episodes, offering evidence that they got third-party attention. Bearcat ( talk) 17:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect all to The Ongoing History of New Music as WP:NOTTVGUIDE. SBKSPP ( talk) 00:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete all then create a single generic redirect to The Ongoing History of New Music as WP:NOTTVGUIDE, no reason for multiple redirects in this case. // Timothy :: talk 11:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.