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The result was merge to List of Mega64 episodes. Black Kite (talk) 17:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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Here's the odd thing: there exists List of Mega64 episodes (season 1) and List of Mega64 episodes (season 3) but List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) was apparently deleted out of hand without a discussion that I can find (neither at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) nor Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega64 (season 2) which was a later name). So we need to either restore season 2 or get rid of seasons 1 and 3, I would think (this is dual nomination for both articles).
Mega64 is a real thing and has an article, and there was an earlier deletion discussion for Mega 64 episodes generally, here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Life Inside A Console (at that time each episode had an article). The decision (by me) was to merge these into season articles. The "vote" FWIW was 5/4/5 Keep/Delete/Merge, so apparently some people think or thought that individual Mega 64 episodes are or were worth describing.
But now we have a non-parallel situation (articles exist for some seasons but have been deleted for others). So let's delete these or ask for the deleted one to be restored, or merge it all into the Mega64 article (already kind of long). I don't care which.
I will point out that it's been quite a few years now and there's been no improvement in the (essentially nonexistent) refs, and any improvement seems less and less likely as times goes by. So instead of these zombie articles hanging around unref'd forever I'd be inclined to send them to the mass converter. Herostratus ( talk) 18:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment The original S2 list was tagged with a speedy deletion for promotion and then deleted via "19:24, 2012 November 18 RHaworth deleted page List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) (Excessively promotional advertising of obscure DVD series with detailed plot summaries.)" I have looked at the page at the time of deletion and it was literally 4-5 para long plot summaries of each episode, and while I wouldn't have tagged it speedy, it would be prime deletion material per WP:NOT#PLOT. Note that this list is effective written in the same style as the S2 list was in at deletion. This is not a reflection of my opinion on this particular nom, only to help clear up what happened with the earlier list. -- MASEM ( t) 20:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, OK, Speedy, although I don't see what the criteria could have been... "complete and utter fancruft" or "slam-dunk delete" are not speedy criteria considering that Mega64 exists. And it also shouldn't te4chnically have been speediable on grounds of having been through an AfD, although there there's really no way for the deleting person to have known that. But whatever, not important. I do agree that this is cruft probably and that these other articles should be deleted also, just want stuff to match. Herostratus ( talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mega 64 episodes. Mega64 is a notable web show, and if the synopses were trimmed down, a list article for all seasons would be certainly reasonable. --
MASEM (
t) 20:41, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- But
Mega64 already has a list of episode titles (and
List of Mega64 episodes is just a redirect to
Mega64). Cutting them down... is this worthwhile? I suppose cutting to once sentence to indicate which games are referenced (this would be unref'd original research though). I'm certainly not going to do it without some reliable external refs to work from. I mean, this was a public-access show sold on DVD by mailorder... do future generation need anything like this level of detail? Apparently the Mega64 podcast is something different albeit by the same people... even the refs for the main
Mega64 are quite poor both as reliable refs and showing any notability... I would say the bare list of episodes we already have in
Mega64 is sufficient.
Herostratus (
talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm thinking a one or two line sentence to give the gist of each episode would be certainly fine. If this can fit in Mega64's article, then that should stay there, but a separate list would be okay if there are size problems. --
MASEM (
t) 22:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure how you'd summarize "First this happened, then that happened, then he put on a hat, then the other thing happened, then something else" which is kind of what we're working with here. Just saying "Various hijinks occur" for each episode isn't helpful. The only way I can think of is "In this episode, they made references to Duke Nukem, Trail of Tears, and Let's All Shoot Things", but how could you know that? You'd need a third-party ref (ref'ing to the primary source (the video), if you can even find a copy, is sketchy at best IMO). And who's going to bell the cat?
Herostratus (
talk) 22:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Plot summaries can be presumed sourced to the primary work w/o citation assuming that the work is notable (read: in the presence of secondary sources that assert the work's notability). And despite the hijinks, there is a thin plotline for each episode, so ignoring the randomness that goes off on that, a sentence or two is sufficient to get the point of the episode across. --
MASEM (
t) 23:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- So, are you gonna do this? Herostratus ( talk) 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- Plot summaries can be presumed sourced to the primary work w/o citation assuming that the work is notable (read: in the presence of secondary sources that assert the work's notability). And despite the hijinks, there is a thin plotline for each episode, so ignoring the randomness that goes off on that, a sentence or two is sufficient to get the point of the episode across. --
MASEM (
t) 23:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure how you'd summarize "First this happened, then that happened, then he put on a hat, then the other thing happened, then something else" which is kind of what we're working with here. Just saying "Various hijinks occur" for each episode isn't helpful. The only way I can think of is "In this episode, they made references to Duke Nukem, Trail of Tears, and Let's All Shoot Things", but how could you know that? You'd need a third-party ref (ref'ing to the primary source (the video), if you can even find a copy, is sketchy at best IMO). And who's going to bell the cat?
Herostratus (
talk) 22:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm thinking a one or two line sentence to give the gist of each episode would be certainly fine. If this can fit in Mega64's article, then that should stay there, but a separate list would be okay if there are size problems. --
MASEM (
t) 22:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- But
Mega64 already has a list of episode titles (and
List of Mega64 episodes is just a redirect to
Mega64). Cutting them down... is this worthwhile? I suppose cutting to once sentence to indicate which games are referenced (this would be unref'd original research though). I'm certainly not going to do it without some reliable external refs to work from. I mean, this was a public-access show sold on DVD by mailorder... do future generation need anything like this level of detail? Apparently the Mega64 podcast is something different albeit by the same people... even the refs for the main
Mega64 are quite poor both as reliable refs and showing any notability... I would say the bare list of episodes we already have in
Mega64 is sufficient.
Herostratus (
talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete both. I deleted the Season 2 list in 2012 for "excessively promotional advertising of obscure DVD series with detailed plot summaries". If someone had asked me back then to delete Seasons 1 and 3 for the same reason, I would have agreed. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 21:53, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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- Merge bits in to List of Mega64 episodes then Delete - Nothing much to say other than merge & delete. – Davey2010 • (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into episode list page over redirect, using MOS:TV guidelines for episode summaries. Then delete for improper article titling. — Wylie pedia 05:58, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Mega64 episodes. Black Kite (talk) 17:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- List of Mega64 episodes (season 1) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Here's the odd thing: there exists List of Mega64 episodes (season 1) and List of Mega64 episodes (season 3) but List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) was apparently deleted out of hand without a discussion that I can find (neither at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) nor Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega64 (season 2) which was a later name). So we need to either restore season 2 or get rid of seasons 1 and 3, I would think (this is dual nomination for both articles).
Mega64 is a real thing and has an article, and there was an earlier deletion discussion for Mega 64 episodes generally, here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Life Inside A Console (at that time each episode had an article). The decision (by me) was to merge these into season articles. The "vote" FWIW was 5/4/5 Keep/Delete/Merge, so apparently some people think or thought that individual Mega 64 episodes are or were worth describing.
But now we have a non-parallel situation (articles exist for some seasons but have been deleted for others). So let's delete these or ask for the deleted one to be restored, or merge it all into the Mega64 article (already kind of long). I don't care which.
I will point out that it's been quite a few years now and there's been no improvement in the (essentially nonexistent) refs, and any improvement seems less and less likely as times goes by. So instead of these zombie articles hanging around unref'd forever I'd be inclined to send them to the mass converter. Herostratus ( talk) 18:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. ( G· N· B· S· RS· Talk) • Gene93k ( talk) 20:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment The original S2 list was tagged with a speedy deletion for promotion and then deleted via "19:24, 2012 November 18 RHaworth deleted page List of Mega64 episodes (season 2) (Excessively promotional advertising of obscure DVD series with detailed plot summaries.)" I have looked at the page at the time of deletion and it was literally 4-5 para long plot summaries of each episode, and while I wouldn't have tagged it speedy, it would be prime deletion material per WP:NOT#PLOT. Note that this list is effective written in the same style as the S2 list was in at deletion. This is not a reflection of my opinion on this particular nom, only to help clear up what happened with the earlier list. -- MASEM ( t) 20:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, OK, Speedy, although I don't see what the criteria could have been... "complete and utter fancruft" or "slam-dunk delete" are not speedy criteria considering that Mega64 exists. And it also shouldn't te4chnically have been speediable on grounds of having been through an AfD, although there there's really no way for the deleting person to have known that. But whatever, not important. I do agree that this is cruft probably and that these other articles should be deleted also, just want stuff to match. Herostratus ( talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Mega 64 episodes. Mega64 is a notable web show, and if the synopses were trimmed down, a list article for all seasons would be certainly reasonable. --
MASEM (
t) 20:41, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- But
Mega64 already has a list of episode titles (and
List of Mega64 episodes is just a redirect to
Mega64). Cutting them down... is this worthwhile? I suppose cutting to once sentence to indicate which games are referenced (this would be unref'd original research though). I'm certainly not going to do it without some reliable external refs to work from. I mean, this was a public-access show sold on DVD by mailorder... do future generation need anything like this level of detail? Apparently the Mega64 podcast is something different albeit by the same people... even the refs for the main
Mega64 are quite poor both as reliable refs and showing any notability... I would say the bare list of episodes we already have in
Mega64 is sufficient.
Herostratus (
talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm thinking a one or two line sentence to give the gist of each episode would be certainly fine. If this can fit in Mega64's article, then that should stay there, but a separate list would be okay if there are size problems. --
MASEM (
t) 22:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure how you'd summarize "First this happened, then that happened, then he put on a hat, then the other thing happened, then something else" which is kind of what we're working with here. Just saying "Various hijinks occur" for each episode isn't helpful. The only way I can think of is "In this episode, they made references to Duke Nukem, Trail of Tears, and Let's All Shoot Things", but how could you know that? You'd need a third-party ref (ref'ing to the primary source (the video), if you can even find a copy, is sketchy at best IMO). And who's going to bell the cat?
Herostratus (
talk) 22:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Plot summaries can be presumed sourced to the primary work w/o citation assuming that the work is notable (read: in the presence of secondary sources that assert the work's notability). And despite the hijinks, there is a thin plotline for each episode, so ignoring the randomness that goes off on that, a sentence or two is sufficient to get the point of the episode across. --
MASEM (
t) 23:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- So, are you gonna do this? Herostratus ( talk) 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- Plot summaries can be presumed sourced to the primary work w/o citation assuming that the work is notable (read: in the presence of secondary sources that assert the work's notability). And despite the hijinks, there is a thin plotline for each episode, so ignoring the randomness that goes off on that, a sentence or two is sufficient to get the point of the episode across. --
MASEM (
t) 23:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure how you'd summarize "First this happened, then that happened, then he put on a hat, then the other thing happened, then something else" which is kind of what we're working with here. Just saying "Various hijinks occur" for each episode isn't helpful. The only way I can think of is "In this episode, they made references to Duke Nukem, Trail of Tears, and Let's All Shoot Things", but how could you know that? You'd need a third-party ref (ref'ing to the primary source (the video), if you can even find a copy, is sketchy at best IMO). And who's going to bell the cat?
Herostratus (
talk) 22:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm thinking a one or two line sentence to give the gist of each episode would be certainly fine. If this can fit in Mega64's article, then that should stay there, but a separate list would be okay if there are size problems. --
MASEM (
t) 22:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- But
Mega64 already has a list of episode titles (and
List of Mega64 episodes is just a redirect to
Mega64). Cutting them down... is this worthwhile? I suppose cutting to once sentence to indicate which games are referenced (this would be unref'd original research though). I'm certainly not going to do it without some reliable external refs to work from. I mean, this was a public-access show sold on DVD by mailorder... do future generation need anything like this level of detail? Apparently the Mega64 podcast is something different albeit by the same people... even the refs for the main
Mega64 are quite poor both as reliable refs and showing any notability... I would say the bare list of episodes we already have in
Mega64 is sufficient.
Herostratus (
talk) 21:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete both. I deleted the Season 2 list in 2012 for "excessively promotional advertising of obscure DVD series with detailed plot summaries". If someone had asked me back then to delete Seasons 1 and 3 for the same reason, I would have agreed. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 21:53, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 22:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge bits in to List of Mega64 episodes then Delete - Nothing much to say other than merge & delete. – Davey2010 • (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge into episode list page over redirect, using MOS:TV guidelines for episode summaries. Then delete for improper article titling. — Wylie pedia 05:58, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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