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The result was keep. The extent to which the article's detail should be trimmed should be better left to editorial discretion. (non-admin closure) FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 19:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
List of Gunslinger Girl characters
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Redirect to Gunslinger Girl was disputed, but no actual reason was given besides "should be discussed". My edit summary: "no justification for this at all: minor manga whose article lacks proper secondary sourcing (it's all from ANN etc.), meaning these characters have even less encyclopedic relevance. in addition, of course, this is greatly excessive and consists solely of primary, in-universe material more suitable for Wikia". I stand by this. The only thing in there that's not a primary source is note 25, " Sherlock and Mycroft Holmes do a similar exercise in The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter"--which is editorial commentary. The main article is already in very bad shape, with so few secondary sources that one may well question what encyclopedic justification a derivative article (full of original research, character analysis, and just outright trivia) for a list of characters has. Now, if AngusWOOF wants to merge some information to the main articles (one can argue that voicing information is relevant--but that's not sourced either), they're welcome to do that, but our encyclopedia doesn't need 54k of trivial information that is of relevance only to the fans. Dr Aaij ( talk) 20:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)Not for fictional characters AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Why is this discussion starting here, with an AFD nomination, rather than on the list talk page, or on the talk page of the editor who disagreed with you?
postdlf (
talk)
20:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know if it was the nominator's intent, but I've seen many editors use AfD in place of merge discussions because it's more binding. Recently another editor opened an AFD hours after I started a merge discussion. Argento Surfer ( talk) 15:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - This isn't the place, nominating something for AfD just because an editor disagreed with you also looks bad. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
22:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Knowledgekid87, I nominated this for AfD because I consider it unencyclopedic fanboy content. You've not presented an argument for keeping. Dr Aaij ( talk) 16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The anime show notes 20 characters http://www.mxtv.co.jp/gunslinger/chara.html. Also, deletion is not cleanup WP:DINC. The detail can certainly be trimmed down but sourcing info to the manga and anime is expected for character descriptions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Trim and Merge - the base article isn't that big, so I don't see a reason for a separate character list (if it can be trimmed down some). Someone familiar with the series should probably do the trimming though. If the article is kept, then it might be a good idea to link to it from Gunslinger Girl... Argento Surfer ( talk) 15:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with AngusWoof. AfD nominations are not for cleanup. Also question for the nominator @
Dr Aaij: Are you planning to start AfD for every article like this in
[[Category:Lists_of_anime_and_manga_characters]]? Masum Reza 📞 09:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)-
User:Masumrezarock100, if I had to clean up every anime article that should be on Wikia, not on Wikipedia, I'd be dead before I got halfway.
Dr Aaij (
talk)
16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. See also policy at WP:ATD, and WP:BEFORE. postdlf ( talk) 17:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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User:Masumrezarock100, if I had to clean up every anime article that should be on Wikia, not on Wikipedia, I'd be dead before I got halfway.
Dr Aaij (
talk)
16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The extent to which the article's detail should be trimmed should be better left to editorial discretion. (non-admin closure) FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 19:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
List of Gunslinger Girl characters
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Redirect to Gunslinger Girl was disputed, but no actual reason was given besides "should be discussed". My edit summary: "no justification for this at all: minor manga whose article lacks proper secondary sourcing (it's all from ANN etc.), meaning these characters have even less encyclopedic relevance. in addition, of course, this is greatly excessive and consists solely of primary, in-universe material more suitable for Wikia". I stand by this. The only thing in there that's not a primary source is note 25, " Sherlock and Mycroft Holmes do a similar exercise in The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter"--which is editorial commentary. The main article is already in very bad shape, with so few secondary sources that one may well question what encyclopedic justification a derivative article (full of original research, character analysis, and just outright trivia) for a list of characters has. Now, if AngusWOOF wants to merge some information to the main articles (one can argue that voicing information is relevant--but that's not sourced either), they're welcome to do that, but our encyclopedia doesn't need 54k of trivial information that is of relevance only to the fans. Dr Aaij ( talk) 20:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)Not for fictional characters AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Why is this discussion starting here, with an AFD nomination, rather than on the list talk page, or on the talk page of the editor who disagreed with you?
postdlf (
talk)
20:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know if it was the nominator's intent, but I've seen many editors use AfD in place of merge discussions because it's more binding. Recently another editor opened an AFD hours after I started a merge discussion. Argento Surfer ( talk) 15:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - This isn't the place, nominating something for AfD just because an editor disagreed with you also looks bad. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
22:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Knowledgekid87, I nominated this for AfD because I consider it unencyclopedic fanboy content. You've not presented an argument for keeping. Dr Aaij ( talk) 16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The anime show notes 20 characters http://www.mxtv.co.jp/gunslinger/chara.html. Also, deletion is not cleanup WP:DINC. The detail can certainly be trimmed down but sourcing info to the manga and anime is expected for character descriptions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Trim and Merge - the base article isn't that big, so I don't see a reason for a separate character list (if it can be trimmed down some). Someone familiar with the series should probably do the trimming though. If the article is kept, then it might be a good idea to link to it from Gunslinger Girl... Argento Surfer ( talk) 15:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with AngusWoof. AfD nominations are not for cleanup. Also question for the nominator @
Dr Aaij: Are you planning to start AfD for every article like this in
[[Category:Lists_of_anime_and_manga_characters]]? Masum Reza 📞 09:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)-
User:Masumrezarock100, if I had to clean up every anime article that should be on Wikia, not on Wikipedia, I'd be dead before I got halfway.
Dr Aaij (
talk)
16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. See also policy at WP:ATD, and WP:BEFORE. postdlf ( talk) 17:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
-
User:Masumrezarock100, if I had to clean up every anime article that should be on Wikia, not on Wikipedia, I'd be dead before I got halfway.
Dr Aaij (
talk)
16:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.