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The result was delete. I found WP:NOTCATALOG most helpful for assessing the opinions expressed here. Readers can go to the manufacturer's website for this type of information. Liz Read! Talk! 00:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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- List of Beretta 92 models ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This seems to fall under WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There is little encyclopedic value in listing every single variant of a particular pistol that has ever been produced, many of which have minimal changes between them. Loafiewa ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Firearms. Loafiewa ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as per the nomination. Can we get this cruft off of Wikipedia already? Those who are looking for certain models will already know where to look. IncompA 02:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: this seems like a legitimate WP:LIST on the different types of firearms, serving essentially as trivia. If this was just a collection of blue links, I'd agree, but there's also specification information as well. DarmaniLink ( talk) 02:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I hesitated between delete and keep as it does present little encyclopedic value but at the same time lists such as List of firearms (B) exist so it seems that a more specific list in a similar vein would be justifiable per Spiderone. Darron4 ( talk) 10:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and NOTDIRECTORY. I'm no firearms expert, but the specifications don't appear to show a great deal of variation, not enough to justify a standalone list IMO. Clarityfiend ( talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Wikipedia:NOTPROMOTION. Beretta is a for-profit maker of firearms. This reads like a catalog listing, for selecting the model that best suits you. While the editor is no longer active, their editing history seems to be specifics of individual weapons, often with a link to the manufacturer's website ( Glock Ges.m.b.H.) — Maile ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, mostly NOTPROMOTION doesn't apply, as a list of stats does not advocate their superiority, value, reliability, or award-winning qualities. Really, this is a list primarily of specifications, which are uncontested but unreferenced, and mostly seems to be a series of links to the same page, Beretta 92. I don't see why this should exist as a standalone list rather than within the
Beretta 92 article itself. I'm also suspecting it would be reasonable to merge the various other articles that exist (92R, 92G-SD/96G-SD) into the main Beretta 92 article as well.
Jclemens (
talk)
21:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- this would be eventually deleted and from the beretta 92 article and made back into a standalone list, so it seems like a legitimate
WP:SPINOFF
DarmaniLink (
talk)
22:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- I have no crystal ball to know this. Regardless, if it's merged into the main article and then trimmed, the data will still be in version history. Jclemens ( talk) 23:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- this would be eventually deleted and from the beretta 92 article and made back into a standalone list, so it seems like a legitimate
WP:SPINOFF
DarmaniLink (
talk)
22:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete The vast majority of these links go directly back to the main Beretta 92 article as already noted, and that article doesn't contain any pertinent information about some of the linked models (I noticed this especially with the various Brigadier versions). Not seeing any real value added here, especially if someone starts on that list looking for specific model information. They're not going to get it in most cases (of the 55 pistols on the list, one is a red link and only 7 have unique articles). Intothat darkness 23:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. I found WP:NOTCATALOG most helpful for assessing the opinions expressed here. Readers can go to the manufacturer's website for this type of information. Liz Read! Talk! 00:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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- List of Beretta 92 models ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This seems to fall under WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There is little encyclopedic value in listing every single variant of a particular pistol that has ever been produced, many of which have minimal changes between them. Loafiewa ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Firearms. Loafiewa ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as per the nomination. Can we get this cruft off of Wikipedia already? Those who are looking for certain models will already know where to look. IncompA 02:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: this seems like a legitimate WP:LIST on the different types of firearms, serving essentially as trivia. If this was just a collection of blue links, I'd agree, but there's also specification information as well. DarmaniLink ( talk) 02:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I hesitated between delete and keep as it does present little encyclopedic value but at the same time lists such as List of firearms (B) exist so it seems that a more specific list in a similar vein would be justifiable per Spiderone. Darron4 ( talk) 10:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and NOTDIRECTORY. I'm no firearms expert, but the specifications don't appear to show a great deal of variation, not enough to justify a standalone list IMO. Clarityfiend ( talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Wikipedia:NOTPROMOTION. Beretta is a for-profit maker of firearms. This reads like a catalog listing, for selecting the model that best suits you. While the editor is no longer active, their editing history seems to be specifics of individual weapons, often with a link to the manufacturer's website ( Glock Ges.m.b.H.) — Maile ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, mostly NOTPROMOTION doesn't apply, as a list of stats does not advocate their superiority, value, reliability, or award-winning qualities. Really, this is a list primarily of specifications, which are uncontested but unreferenced, and mostly seems to be a series of links to the same page, Beretta 92. I don't see why this should exist as a standalone list rather than within the
Beretta 92 article itself. I'm also suspecting it would be reasonable to merge the various other articles that exist (92R, 92G-SD/96G-SD) into the main Beretta 92 article as well.
Jclemens (
talk)
21:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- this would be eventually deleted and from the beretta 92 article and made back into a standalone list, so it seems like a legitimate
WP:SPINOFF
DarmaniLink (
talk)
22:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- I have no crystal ball to know this. Regardless, if it's merged into the main article and then trimmed, the data will still be in version history. Jclemens ( talk) 23:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- this would be eventually deleted and from the beretta 92 article and made back into a standalone list, so it seems like a legitimate
WP:SPINOFF
DarmaniLink (
talk)
22:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete The vast majority of these links go directly back to the main Beretta 92 article as already noted, and that article doesn't contain any pertinent information about some of the linked models (I noticed this especially with the various Brigadier versions). Not seeing any real value added here, especially if someone starts on that list looking for specific model information. They're not going to get it in most cases (of the 55 pistols on the list, one is a red link and only 7 have unique articles). Intothat darkness 23:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.