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Fails
WP:BIO. Sources cited are mostly interviews, plus some obvious paid puff pieces. She has some impressive-sounding titles, but has so far had only what appear to be minor presidential appointments, as a delegate, a vice-chair of a committee, and "U.S. Ambassador to
Expo 2005". That's not a diplomatic role, or an ambassadorship: for context,
BTS are South Korea's ambassadors to the 2030 Expo.
In a
WP:BEFORE search, I can't find any significant secondary coverage of her, or her book, and
WP:NAUTHOR isn't met. All I can find is a large pile of self-promotion and interviews, where she describes herself as a "former US ambassador".
Delete - I'm not finding anything which would count as RS covering this person. Happy to reconsider if someone can offer sources.
JMWt (
talk)
13:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Press releases are not references that lend towards notability because they are not independent coverage. Additionally, none of the positions held confer notability. Of the examples mentioned are notable because of other things, although honestly Doug Hickey's article does not have particularly strong sourcing and even being a real US Ambassador does not guarantee notability. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
15:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)reply
A statement by the President of the United States should not be mistaken for a mere press release; rather, it represents the official appointment of a critical role through which the President exercises his authority.
The individual in this position signs a bilateral agreement on behalf of the United States and other nations and officially represents the US with the heads of state and sovereigns from 120 countries. Japan's operation under this role involved over 72 personnel and served approximately 2 million visitors at the Pavilion. Notably, 19 state delegations, 16 led by governors, signed manufacturing agreements that directly led to billions of dollars in foreign direct investment. These achievements are documented in
a report submitted to Congress and were recognized on the floor of the Senate. The U.S. presence at the
Aichi World EXPO amounted to a $32 million operation and remained one of the most extensive public-private partnerships within the U.S. government.
World's fair
It's worth emphasizing that the position of Vice Chair of the
Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services holds a 4-star protocol status and reports directly to both the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense visiting over 50 military bases worldwide representing the office of the Secretary. This particular role advised the Secretary of Defense on the fallout from
Tailhook, the most significant sexual harassment scandal in the US military, a "notable" item covered in Wikipedia.
Observing the underrepresentation of women at this level within Wikipedia is disheartening. This commentary underscores the apparent bias against women in the review process and a deficiency in recognizing the significance of positions within the United States government as designated by the President.
Wikipedia features numerous minor officials within the United States government. However, it is puzzling that the only woman to assume a presidentially named ambassadorial role, after a 172-year gap, as a direct representative of the United States to the royal family of Japan and the Prime Minister is deemed not to meet the notability criteria.
Caeser2023 (
talk)
02:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)—
Caeser2023 (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: An assessment of recently discovered sources would be useful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!20:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Most of the new sources are viewable by subscription only, but their titles suggest they are not about her. Lots of less-than-notable positions and no reviews of her book Turnaround: How to Change Course When Things are Going South. Claimed to be "five-time award-winning" on her website, but no details provided.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
02:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
For the paywalled ones, I was able to search "Gable" before the wall went up. Most appear to be 1-2 passing mentions and not significant coverage on Gable herself. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
12:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Wikishovel: I would say not a ton notability-wise. A lot of notable people obviously have had recognition entered into the Congressional Record, but it's more Members of Congress recognizing constituents or as a favor like in the UK. For example, a similar short speech was given and entered into the record for a relative of mine upon his retirement as a police officer for a suburban township of about 50,000 people. It looks like this is one of many
additional statements submitted on May 10, 2005, which include recognizing an Indiana high school receiving honorable mention (10th overall) in the
We the People: The Citizen and the Constitution finals and the 75th anniversary of a local Wyoming VFW Post. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
14:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Fails
WP:BIO. Sources cited are mostly interviews, plus some obvious paid puff pieces. She has some impressive-sounding titles, but has so far had only what appear to be minor presidential appointments, as a delegate, a vice-chair of a committee, and "U.S. Ambassador to
Expo 2005". That's not a diplomatic role, or an ambassadorship: for context,
BTS are South Korea's ambassadors to the 2030 Expo.
In a
WP:BEFORE search, I can't find any significant secondary coverage of her, or her book, and
WP:NAUTHOR isn't met. All I can find is a large pile of self-promotion and interviews, where she describes herself as a "former US ambassador".
Delete - I'm not finding anything which would count as RS covering this person. Happy to reconsider if someone can offer sources.
JMWt (
talk)
13:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Press releases are not references that lend towards notability because they are not independent coverage. Additionally, none of the positions held confer notability. Of the examples mentioned are notable because of other things, although honestly Doug Hickey's article does not have particularly strong sourcing and even being a real US Ambassador does not guarantee notability. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
15:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)reply
A statement by the President of the United States should not be mistaken for a mere press release; rather, it represents the official appointment of a critical role through which the President exercises his authority.
The individual in this position signs a bilateral agreement on behalf of the United States and other nations and officially represents the US with the heads of state and sovereigns from 120 countries. Japan's operation under this role involved over 72 personnel and served approximately 2 million visitors at the Pavilion. Notably, 19 state delegations, 16 led by governors, signed manufacturing agreements that directly led to billions of dollars in foreign direct investment. These achievements are documented in
a report submitted to Congress and were recognized on the floor of the Senate. The U.S. presence at the
Aichi World EXPO amounted to a $32 million operation and remained one of the most extensive public-private partnerships within the U.S. government.
World's fair
It's worth emphasizing that the position of Vice Chair of the
Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services holds a 4-star protocol status and reports directly to both the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense visiting over 50 military bases worldwide representing the office of the Secretary. This particular role advised the Secretary of Defense on the fallout from
Tailhook, the most significant sexual harassment scandal in the US military, a "notable" item covered in Wikipedia.
Observing the underrepresentation of women at this level within Wikipedia is disheartening. This commentary underscores the apparent bias against women in the review process and a deficiency in recognizing the significance of positions within the United States government as designated by the President.
Wikipedia features numerous minor officials within the United States government. However, it is puzzling that the only woman to assume a presidentially named ambassadorial role, after a 172-year gap, as a direct representative of the United States to the royal family of Japan and the Prime Minister is deemed not to meet the notability criteria.
Caeser2023 (
talk)
02:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)—
Caeser2023 (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: An assessment of recently discovered sources would be useful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!20:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Most of the new sources are viewable by subscription only, but their titles suggest they are not about her. Lots of less-than-notable positions and no reviews of her book Turnaround: How to Change Course When Things are Going South. Claimed to be "five-time award-winning" on her website, but no details provided.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
02:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
For the paywalled ones, I was able to search "Gable" before the wall went up. Most appear to be 1-2 passing mentions and not significant coverage on Gable herself. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
12:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Wikishovel: I would say not a ton notability-wise. A lot of notable people obviously have had recognition entered into the Congressional Record, but it's more Members of Congress recognizing constituents or as a favor like in the UK. For example, a similar short speech was given and entered into the record for a relative of mine upon his retirement as a police officer for a suburban township of about 50,000 people. It looks like this is one of many
additional statements submitted on May 10, 2005, which include recognizing an Indiana high school receiving honorable mention (10th overall) in the
We the People: The Citizen and the Constitution finals and the 75th anniversary of a local Wyoming VFW Post. Best,
GPL93 (
talk)
14:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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