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The result was keep. I'm closing this as keep, although I had to think about it for awhile. Many of those arguing "delete" admit there is coverage about it, but argue the subject is too trivial despite coverage. Other "keep" !votes argue the topic is indeed of significant importance, and worthy of encyclopedic attention. On the balance, even though the "delete" votes win numerically 7 to 5, the stronger arguments lie with keep.
78.26(
spin me /
revolutions)04:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Sources are
WP:PRIMARY and circulated across internet through sources that are ultimately related with the primary source. Lack of independent coverage in third party sources.
Capitals00 (
talk)
12:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep There are sources like
The Nation,
The Express Tribune and
Dawn which cannot be categorized primary by any means plus nom did not specify how the subject has no encyclopedic value. Without such clear cut specification saying "no encyclopedic value" is nothing more than mere empty words.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
10:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
@
SheriffIsInTown: The nom says "Nothing signifies its encyclopedia value." Coverage exists but I don't think it make sense to have a standalone article on a topic that can be described briefly in another article. --
Saqib (
talk)
10:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Nom uses mere empty words, the subject easily passes
WP:10YT, the structures like canals are supposed to last years.There were delete votes with the reasoning that article relies on primary sources which required a rebuttal.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
10:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Actually I asked you for a few examples. I still feel we don't need a standalone article on What I call an ordinary drainage canal per
WP:EXISTENCE, even though it has received press coverage. --
Saqib (
talk)
10:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Your nom says "no encyclopedic value" without elaborating how and why, which can be encountered with "yes encyclopedic value" without elaborating further, your nom is poor and it just conveys
WP:IDONTLIKEIT on your part. You created plethora of articles on MPs who
merely exist and have nominal coverage in the press. We do not go by the examples on Wikipedia, a drainage canal should not be a pariah on Wikipedia, an article on similar subject not existing should not mean that one can never be created.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
21:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Redundant to have own article. It doesn't deserve standalone article because the subject has not gained prominence in independent sources. You have to find coverage that has been made exclusively about the drain, that makes it worthwhile enough to create standalone article.
Raymond3023 (
talk)
09:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Winged Blades of Godric I think the
Indus River might be a possible candidate for a merge (though not an ideal one). The idea behind this project was to drain water from the irrigation around this river and it does run parallel to it. Ideally, I think what is needed is a
Irrigation in Pakistan article which encapsulates a lot of these small articles which currently do not meet
WP:GNG and have few sources. I will throw in a few names
Trimmu Barrage,
Chashma Barrage,
Zam System,
Kotri Barrage,
Chashma Right Bank Irrigation Project. There are other articles which seem to have sufficient content like
Sukkur Barrage which can stand on their own but might find mention in this new article. An ideal article to start here would be with
Water resources management in Pakistan which can be converted to
Irrigation in Pakistan. As a side note, I feel sometimes editors show up to XFD discussions with very little knowledge about the topic itself and spend even less time in what can be done to improve it and more time in arguing one way or the other.
Adamgerber80 (
talk)
00:05, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep many multiple independent news articles (in English!) in a Before search to have this man-made geographic feature pass
WP:GNG. Article could be improved further.
SportingFlyertalk02:02, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - per
WP:MILL. Nothing significant about the subject. Coverage is also entirely related with the primary sources, nothing significant that would assert notability or importance .Fails
WP:GEOFEAT.
Razer(
talk)
16:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss the new sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep The subject is not just
Wikinotable but extremely important (in fact, lives depend on it) for millions of people. It appears in sources, both western and local, whose number and extent of coverage renders it worthy of a stand-alone article. (Which, I hasten to add, could use some improvement. Who couldn't?) -
The Gnome (
talk)
05:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. I'm closing this as keep, although I had to think about it for awhile. Many of those arguing "delete" admit there is coverage about it, but argue the subject is too trivial despite coverage. Other "keep" !votes argue the topic is indeed of significant importance, and worthy of encyclopedic attention. On the balance, even though the "delete" votes win numerically 7 to 5, the stronger arguments lie with keep.
78.26(
spin me /
revolutions)04:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Sources are
WP:PRIMARY and circulated across internet through sources that are ultimately related with the primary source. Lack of independent coverage in third party sources.
Capitals00 (
talk)
12:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep There are sources like
The Nation,
The Express Tribune and
Dawn which cannot be categorized primary by any means plus nom did not specify how the subject has no encyclopedic value. Without such clear cut specification saying "no encyclopedic value" is nothing more than mere empty words.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
10:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
@
SheriffIsInTown: The nom says "Nothing signifies its encyclopedia value." Coverage exists but I don't think it make sense to have a standalone article on a topic that can be described briefly in another article. --
Saqib (
talk)
10:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Nom uses mere empty words, the subject easily passes
WP:10YT, the structures like canals are supposed to last years.There were delete votes with the reasoning that article relies on primary sources which required a rebuttal.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
10:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Actually I asked you for a few examples. I still feel we don't need a standalone article on What I call an ordinary drainage canal per
WP:EXISTENCE, even though it has received press coverage. --
Saqib (
talk)
10:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Your nom says "no encyclopedic value" without elaborating how and why, which can be encountered with "yes encyclopedic value" without elaborating further, your nom is poor and it just conveys
WP:IDONTLIKEIT on your part. You created plethora of articles on MPs who
merely exist and have nominal coverage in the press. We do not go by the examples on Wikipedia, a drainage canal should not be a pariah on Wikipedia, an article on similar subject not existing should not mean that one can never be created.
Sheriff |
☎ 911 |
21:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Redundant to have own article. It doesn't deserve standalone article because the subject has not gained prominence in independent sources. You have to find coverage that has been made exclusively about the drain, that makes it worthwhile enough to create standalone article.
Raymond3023 (
talk)
09:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Winged Blades of Godric I think the
Indus River might be a possible candidate for a merge (though not an ideal one). The idea behind this project was to drain water from the irrigation around this river and it does run parallel to it. Ideally, I think what is needed is a
Irrigation in Pakistan article which encapsulates a lot of these small articles which currently do not meet
WP:GNG and have few sources. I will throw in a few names
Trimmu Barrage,
Chashma Barrage,
Zam System,
Kotri Barrage,
Chashma Right Bank Irrigation Project. There are other articles which seem to have sufficient content like
Sukkur Barrage which can stand on their own but might find mention in this new article. An ideal article to start here would be with
Water resources management in Pakistan which can be converted to
Irrigation in Pakistan. As a side note, I feel sometimes editors show up to XFD discussions with very little knowledge about the topic itself and spend even less time in what can be done to improve it and more time in arguing one way or the other.
Adamgerber80 (
talk)
00:05, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep many multiple independent news articles (in English!) in a Before search to have this man-made geographic feature pass
WP:GNG. Article could be improved further.
SportingFlyertalk02:02, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - per
WP:MILL. Nothing significant about the subject. Coverage is also entirely related with the primary sources, nothing significant that would assert notability or importance .Fails
WP:GEOFEAT.
Razer(
talk)
16:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss the new sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep The subject is not just
Wikinotable but extremely important (in fact, lives depend on it) for millions of people. It appears in sources, both western and local, whose number and extent of coverage renders it worthy of a stand-alone article. (Which, I hasten to add, could use some improvement. Who couldn't?) -
The Gnome (
talk)
05:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.