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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) JAaron95 Talk 15:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
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Auto-biography (lots of heavily favourable edits coming from strafford.plus.com), unverifiable "facts" (and changing verified and well sourced facts, including entire paragraphs), and simply not a notable person Bullblade ( talk) 13:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Delete. Unacceptable autobiography. Conflict of Interest. Wiki you now, Wiki you later! ( talk) 13:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep As (ex)boss of a well-known football club and a well-known and successful business (PlusNet), who's also active in the local business/political community, his words and actions are widely reported [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Issues with vandalism, etc, can be dealt with. That leaves the question of notability, and I think there's enough coverage. The article may present Strafford in a favourable light, but the facts are there and it can be fixed by editing. Colapeninsula ( talk) 13:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep A quick Google search reveals plenty of non-trivial coverage, thus satisfying WP:GNG. One might expect as such with the subject being the founder of a significant ISP and the one-time chairman of a professional English football club. Article does need cleaning up though. Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per above - Passes GNG, Dunno whether the subject's edited the article or not but either way it's not grounds for deletion. – Davey2010 Talk 21:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep – Upon a source review, the subject passes WP:BASIC. North America 1000 01:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - needs expanding with the sources from national media noted above, but clearly an individual who has received more than local attention potential COI issue in the article are a content problem not a notability issue. Fenix down ( talk) 07:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Delete.many of the "keeps" above highlight the problem with this article. It is being used as a CV/advert and history is being rewritten. There is a common misconception that he was the main man at Plusnet (and reading his own edits, I can see why you might indeed believe such a thing!). Plusnet was a continuation of Force 9 Internet. It was a rebrand to entice business customers (at the time, obviously now very much residential). Paul Cusack is the only name that deserves to be credited with founding Plusnet. Lee was an employee and minority shareholder (4.8%). One of many issues with this article. Bullblade ( talk) 07:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)- Keep - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 17:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) JAaron95 Talk 15:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Lee Strafford ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Auto-biography (lots of heavily favourable edits coming from strafford.plus.com), unverifiable "facts" (and changing verified and well sourced facts, including entire paragraphs), and simply not a notable person Bullblade ( talk) 13:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Delete. Unacceptable autobiography. Conflict of Interest. Wiki you now, Wiki you later! ( talk) 13:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep As (ex)boss of a well-known football club and a well-known and successful business (PlusNet), who's also active in the local business/political community, his words and actions are widely reported [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Issues with vandalism, etc, can be dealt with. That leaves the question of notability, and I think there's enough coverage. The article may present Strafford in a favourable light, but the facts are there and it can be fixed by editing. Colapeninsula ( talk) 13:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep A quick Google search reveals plenty of non-trivial coverage, thus satisfying WP:GNG. One might expect as such with the subject being the founder of a significant ISP and the one-time chairman of a professional English football club. Article does need cleaning up though. Mattythewhite ( talk) 20:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per above - Passes GNG, Dunno whether the subject's edited the article or not but either way it's not grounds for deletion. – Davey2010 Talk 21:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 01:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 01:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 01:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep – Upon a source review, the subject passes WP:BASIC. North America 1000 01:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - needs expanding with the sources from national media noted above, but clearly an individual who has received more than local attention potential COI issue in the article are a content problem not a notability issue. Fenix down ( talk) 07:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Strong Delete.many of the "keeps" above highlight the problem with this article. It is being used as a CV/advert and history is being rewritten. There is a common misconception that he was the main man at Plusnet (and reading his own edits, I can see why you might indeed believe such a thing!). Plusnet was a continuation of Force 9 Internet. It was a rebrand to entice business customers (at the time, obviously now very much residential). Paul Cusack is the only name that deserves to be credited with founding Plusnet. Lee was an employee and minority shareholder (4.8%). One of many issues with this article. Bullblade ( talk) 07:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)- Keep - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 17:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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