The result was keep. It looks like the majority of editors in this discussion believe this town satisfies WP:GEOLAND. Liz Read! Talk! 22:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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Here I have come across a new low in edit comments, with the whole section on the Monon added with the following note: "Added more info. Mostly hearsay from men and women who were at there at the time." The section on the railroad museum is also padding, as it is nowhere near Lee. Also in the edit comments is a citation to A Standard History of White County, Indiana from 1915, which on pp. 209-210 identifies the place as a post office and shipping point on the Monon; the writer records an aspiration of the place to develop beyond that, but given the date of publication I would want something later to record that expansion. As it is, we have a few houses sprinkled about with nothing else suggesting a town. Mangoe ( talk) 19:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Lee, Indiana, like so many throughout the state, died out when the rail lines stopped passenger service and closed depots), and might have been the source of some of the info in the article. I'm frankly unsure how to vote here ( WP:GEOLAND has given me headaches before), so only leaving a comment. – LordPickleII ( talk) 20:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
OAKDALE, OR LEE The only existing postoffice in Monon Township outside the village is Lee , in the northwest corner , about a mile from the Jasper County line on the Louisville , New Albany & Chicago (Monon) Railroad.and other. Djflem ( talk) 08:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." ╠╣uw [ talk 11:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
"Oakdale, or Lee, is an important shipping point for hay. Hundreds of tons are baled at the station every year and shipped abroad, and, with the improvement of the surrounding farming lands, it has become an equally good point for the marketing and shipping of grain."(Multiple other sources also call out the grain market.) So we know it was at least a post office, railway station, grain market, and center for transportation of local bulk agricultural products including grain and hay. The town's roughly 120 lots were also laid out on multiple named streets, three of which are still there today. ╠╣uw [ talk 17:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: I took a trip to the library (and explored more online) to look for additional supporting sources and found several more which I've added to the article. I actually wound up boldly rewriting a majority of the article text, not just to incorporate the new sources but also to flesh out the historical summary and geographical descriptions, correct some minor errors and misstatements, add a photo of the town, etc.
A few of the additional sources relate specifically to Lee and its history, features, status, etc. It's noted in Baker and Carmony's Indiana Place Names (1975) and in Baker's From Needmore to Prosperity (1995), which describes it as a village and grain market established by (and named for) ID&C Railroad President John Lee in 1883. The origins are also described by the Monon Railroad Historical Technical-Society (citation added). I note too that Hamelle's Standard History (previously cited) describes Lee as "an important shipping point for hay" as well as a local center for grain shipping and marketing; this point wasn't previously mentioned in the text but is now included. As I mentioned earlier I also wanted to find more plat-related details, and though I wasn't able to check the original records in Monticello I did find multiple volumes of official plat books in the library (published from 1990 through the early 2000s) that identify Lee as a town or village, rather than simply a point. I'll follow up with more details when I get the actual plat.
Some of the other newly-added sources touch only on related subjects in the article such as the history of the railroad that passes through town, the local geography, etc., and so aren't strictly relevant to this discussion; I included them while I was doing my update, though, just in the interest of strengthening the article overall.
(Note: Several of the reference citations I put in have overly length quotation blocks, something I did deliberately as a temporary aid to expanding and reviewing the article. These can and should be trimmed down once they've been reviewed.) ╠╣uw [ talk 16:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Comr Melody Idoghor
(talk)
21:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
either the general notability guideline... or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline(emphasis added), so passing WP:GEOLAND is perfectly sufficient and does not require a GNG pass. That being said, this article also does pass GNG through coverage by multiple independent RS, including:
The result was keep. It looks like the majority of editors in this discussion believe this town satisfies WP:GEOLAND. Liz Read! Talk! 22:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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Here I have come across a new low in edit comments, with the whole section on the Monon added with the following note: "Added more info. Mostly hearsay from men and women who were at there at the time." The section on the railroad museum is also padding, as it is nowhere near Lee. Also in the edit comments is a citation to A Standard History of White County, Indiana from 1915, which on pp. 209-210 identifies the place as a post office and shipping point on the Monon; the writer records an aspiration of the place to develop beyond that, but given the date of publication I would want something later to record that expansion. As it is, we have a few houses sprinkled about with nothing else suggesting a town. Mangoe ( talk) 19:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Lee, Indiana, like so many throughout the state, died out when the rail lines stopped passenger service and closed depots), and might have been the source of some of the info in the article. I'm frankly unsure how to vote here ( WP:GEOLAND has given me headaches before), so only leaving a comment. – LordPickleII ( talk) 20:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
OAKDALE, OR LEE The only existing postoffice in Monon Township outside the village is Lee , in the northwest corner , about a mile from the Jasper County line on the Louisville , New Albany & Chicago (Monon) Railroad.and other. Djflem ( talk) 08:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." ╠╣uw [ talk 11:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
"Oakdale, or Lee, is an important shipping point for hay. Hundreds of tons are baled at the station every year and shipped abroad, and, with the improvement of the surrounding farming lands, it has become an equally good point for the marketing and shipping of grain."(Multiple other sources also call out the grain market.) So we know it was at least a post office, railway station, grain market, and center for transportation of local bulk agricultural products including grain and hay. The town's roughly 120 lots were also laid out on multiple named streets, three of which are still there today. ╠╣uw [ talk 17:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: I took a trip to the library (and explored more online) to look for additional supporting sources and found several more which I've added to the article. I actually wound up boldly rewriting a majority of the article text, not just to incorporate the new sources but also to flesh out the historical summary and geographical descriptions, correct some minor errors and misstatements, add a photo of the town, etc.
A few of the additional sources relate specifically to Lee and its history, features, status, etc. It's noted in Baker and Carmony's Indiana Place Names (1975) and in Baker's From Needmore to Prosperity (1995), which describes it as a village and grain market established by (and named for) ID&C Railroad President John Lee in 1883. The origins are also described by the Monon Railroad Historical Technical-Society (citation added). I note too that Hamelle's Standard History (previously cited) describes Lee as "an important shipping point for hay" as well as a local center for grain shipping and marketing; this point wasn't previously mentioned in the text but is now included. As I mentioned earlier I also wanted to find more plat-related details, and though I wasn't able to check the original records in Monticello I did find multiple volumes of official plat books in the library (published from 1990 through the early 2000s) that identify Lee as a town or village, rather than simply a point. I'll follow up with more details when I get the actual plat.
Some of the other newly-added sources touch only on related subjects in the article such as the history of the railroad that passes through town, the local geography, etc., and so aren't strictly relevant to this discussion; I included them while I was doing my update, though, just in the interest of strengthening the article overall.
(Note: Several of the reference citations I put in have overly length quotation blocks, something I did deliberately as a temporary aid to expanding and reviewing the article. These can and should be trimmed down once they've been reviewed.) ╠╣uw [ talk 16:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Comr Melody Idoghor
(talk)
21:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
either the general notability guideline... or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline(emphasis added), so passing WP:GEOLAND is perfectly sufficient and does not require a GNG pass. That being said, this article also does pass GNG through coverage by multiple independent RS, including: