The result was Delete per author request here [1] Pedro : Chat 00:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Disputed prod which I had previously seconded having been unable to find any WP:RS to support claims of notability. The text for the original prod was This BLP is of a non-notable person. This person has released 1 album on his own label (as can be seen on his near-empty allmusic.com entry). releasing an album on a non-notable label which is owned by the artist does not qualify for notability, as the label must be independent from the artist WP:NOTE. Furthermore, this person has released 2 books, all self-published work [2] - [3]. Nancy talk 10:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Apart from the links that linked to his books at tesco and tower books, I also added these links:
Children Africa After working with Mother Theresa, he started Children Africa and have been changing the lives of many kids and families with his own hard earned money. For this alone, he is very respected.
Final Notes: Africa is not like the west, in terms of modern technology, so not everything a notable African does that is online, unless the person has successfully crossed the international line like Wole Soyinka and Chinua Achebe.
I also saw somewhere that his books were self published and his music self released. Let me talk about this:
First, Lurrenzinc is a well known entertainment company here in Nigeria and his books and music are released under it. It's like P. Diddy releasing his music under Bad Boy entertainment which he clearly owned. Not everybody is born poor, there are some people that can afford to start up a company to handle their interests. Dr. Alban did it in Sweden where his albums were released under Dr. Records. It's also important to note that the subjects last album "Still Single and Rich" were the work of two record labels; Ulzee Music and Lurrenzinc Music. You can verify this by googling Ulzee music or you can contact any Nigerian media house about how respectable Ulzee music is in Africa. Any where you see the subject contracting an online music promoter, it's solely for the international market. There are great Nigerian musicians with little or no online presence because the country is not yet too advanced in internet technology. So since most of the music stores are not online, most Nigerian musicians are forced to use online music promoters like CD baby, etc., to project their music to the international world.
His books are first published in Nigeria and they can be found in most bookshops. Using the online self publishers is only for the international market since most Nigerian bookshops are not online.
To Nancy I have read the notability guidelines for biographies —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Another link posted by Rapulu
I was just reading Nigerian newspapers when I saw this link. The Punch is voted - I think, for the past four consecutive years - as the most circulated newspaper in Nigeria
This article should be deleted. The subject of the BLP, his album and his books are not notable. Wikipedia rules of notability have very clear guidelines for notability, and the links provided by Rapulu to prove notability are either unreliable sources or highly questionable.
I've gone through all 11 (eleven) links provided by Rapulu and cross-checked them for reliability. Here's my summary: all eleven links are either unreliable, or the content of the source is highly questionable.
1) In this highly questionable interview, the subject of the BLP is quoted as saying, that Mother Theresa made a prophesy concerning him, that he "would one day be honoured with the Nobel Prize." Wikipedia's Rule of Verifiability states that Exceptional claims in Wikipedia require high-quality sources. If such sources are not available, the material should not be included. Due to the exceptional claim found in this source, this source therefore is highly questionable, and thusly not reliable.
2) This link leads to a blogspot ----> Wikipedia:Source#Sources states: "....blogs are largely not acceptable". = unreliable source.
3) This link leads to a page from a german non-notable internet radio = unreliable source
4) youtube link. no further comment required here. (=unreliable source, for those who still don't know)
5) blogspot. not acceptable as a reliable source.
6) blogspot. not acceptable as a reliable source.
7) This article has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of the BLP. The title of the article is: "Will you allow your partner’s ex spend the night in your house?" The subject of the BLP is only mentioned once in this article in one line: "No way, not in my own house - Lurrenz, Musician". This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
8) Title of the article: "More tears for Michael Jackson in Nollywood". Subject of the BLP says he can't go to Michael Jacksons concert "because Mike is no more". This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
9) Topic: Nollywood stars mourn Jackson. Subject of the BLP is quoted thusly: "I was one of the first people to be notified as I stated on facebook. Black people are coward. We said he did surgery, a lot of whites did. Some megastars like Victoria Beckham, Jeniffer Lopez among others also did but the world is still worshipping them. We should have supported him." This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
10) There is no evidence that this organization is properly registered in Sweden or Denmark. Like all other EU countries, Sweden and Denmark have laws guiding the creation of NGOs or charitable organizations, and like all other EU countries, the websites of NGOs or charitable organizations must provide evidence of proper registration on their website. On http://childrenafrica.com there is no evidence about any proper registration as either a NGO or charitable organization. There is nothing written on the website to indicate that this is a NGO or charitable organization. To further confuse the matter, on the "About us" page of Childrenafrica.com, it is stated that "Children Africa was founded in Sweden in 2004 by Lawrence R. Onuzulike (a.k.a Lurrenz)." However, on the "Contact us" page, a Danish and Nigerian contact address is written. Due to this inconsistency the impression is created of an unserious organisation which does not fully adhere to Swedish, Danish or EU laws. This link is therefore not a reliable source.
11) This link is about the subject of the BLP, and contains highly questionable information. The article claims that "In Sweden, this cool-looking gentleman is regarded as one of the most important African music artistes living and working in that country." A swedish regional search of the Subject of the BLP yields 19 results. None of these 19 sites are reliable sources. Surely, if the information found on punchontheweb.com is correct, then there must be swedish sites to prove this. Since there are none, this creates the impression that the punchontheweb.com site is using unverified and unchecked information, probably given to them by the subject of the BLP, to write that article. This link therefore is not a reliable source.
The entire 11 links do not in any way prove notability. Amsaim ( talk) 01:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I'm the person that tried to create this page. This is my last response and if it's not enough. Please kindly delete the page. It's beginning to suck up all my energy. When I was creating the page, I was hoping to get help if I do any wrong, I wasn't expecting such a fight, insult and hatred.
Hello Phil Bridger, the link you called a blogspot is not what you think, The link belongs to Guardian Newspapers Visit the papers main website and scroll down you'll still see the link to their weekend art magazine called The Guardian Art Magazine, and that's what you called a blogspot. It doesn't look like you're carrying out as much investigations as you claim.
I never disagreed with the fact that the first time I created the page it sounded like a promotional page, and that was my intention (to promote the subject) because then I didn't know the rules of wikipedia. But when I recreated the page, I removed everything promotional. Yes I'm not a wikipedia expert but I can tell you a whole lot of things I'm expert at that you're not. I made the first mistakes and corrected them, after Nancy pointed them out in a humanely way tome, so why are you bringing it up again? Are you really helping wikipedia or just trying to satisfy your ego. Right now I'm writing like this because I feel offended by the way you tackle this topic. You've call Mr. Lawrence Onuzulike a shameless self promoter, and now you're insulting the The Daily Sun Newspapers for not doing their job or carrying out your style of hatred-laden sad investigation. They don't need an investigation into the subject's life because the subject is well know by all of them and they knew his life, even from Childhood.
And as for the claim that Mother Theresa made the claim to him, how on earth do you want me or the subject to produce proof? He, as a child, could have recorded it by an invisible recorder in other to present it to wikipedia after more than ten years? If you want to found out things, research. Contact the missionary of Charity and confirm about the subject's activities there in 1997, it's that simple
You guys have more energy than I about this issue because I can clearly see that someone is very sad about another person. So kindly delete this page immediately to save everybody headache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.149.20 ( talk) 23:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I just think this should be a friendly debate and not a do-or-die affair. However, there are a few points I want to point out.
If you really want to help and not fight, contact the right places and do proper research and not base your investigations on google search. Africa is not America yet when it comes to putting our lives online. Even google search of the subject showed 42,800 and there are many interviews and articles about him. But somehow you manage to found a way to discredit many major newspapers in Africa. As an African, I find out really amazing.
Have a nice day everybody.
Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.149.20 ( talk) 09:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I'm glad another person entered this conversation because I was tired of dealing with your over zealous editor who shows clear bias in his investigations.
But Pedro please address this questions raised by my friend above. Let your so called Wikipedia admin post the section of European law that states that each NGO must paste their registration on their websites. In Sweden you don't even have to register your NGO to be recognized. What's important to them is that you do good work. Yes, I called the Kommune and asked about this before writing it. And oh yes, Children Africa was duly registered in Malmo, southern Sweden. I've taken photographs of this page, as advised by the Nigerian community in Uppsala - which happened to have an end of the year meeting some days back where I showed them this discussion, hence my friends response above. We have decided to ask Wikipedia the following questions;
If we don't get proper answer to the above. We'll now go further with our complain. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC) reply
So it's now clear that your over zealous editor cannot confirm his lies and made up EU laws. Welcome to Wikipedia. So now you can happy delete the page I created. And as for blocking me, that was too late because I've since yesterday searched Wikipedia on how to delete my account because I want nothing to do with a place like this. Too bad that accounts can't be deleted. Meanwhile delete the page Lawrence Onuzulike. Yes I've given the go ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 09:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete per author request here [1] Pedro : Chat 00:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Disputed prod which I had previously seconded having been unable to find any WP:RS to support claims of notability. The text for the original prod was This BLP is of a non-notable person. This person has released 1 album on his own label (as can be seen on his near-empty allmusic.com entry). releasing an album on a non-notable label which is owned by the artist does not qualify for notability, as the label must be independent from the artist WP:NOTE. Furthermore, this person has released 2 books, all self-published work [2] - [3]. Nancy talk 10:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Apart from the links that linked to his books at tesco and tower books, I also added these links:
Children Africa After working with Mother Theresa, he started Children Africa and have been changing the lives of many kids and families with his own hard earned money. For this alone, he is very respected.
Final Notes: Africa is not like the west, in terms of modern technology, so not everything a notable African does that is online, unless the person has successfully crossed the international line like Wole Soyinka and Chinua Achebe.
I also saw somewhere that his books were self published and his music self released. Let me talk about this:
First, Lurrenzinc is a well known entertainment company here in Nigeria and his books and music are released under it. It's like P. Diddy releasing his music under Bad Boy entertainment which he clearly owned. Not everybody is born poor, there are some people that can afford to start up a company to handle their interests. Dr. Alban did it in Sweden where his albums were released under Dr. Records. It's also important to note that the subjects last album "Still Single and Rich" were the work of two record labels; Ulzee Music and Lurrenzinc Music. You can verify this by googling Ulzee music or you can contact any Nigerian media house about how respectable Ulzee music is in Africa. Any where you see the subject contracting an online music promoter, it's solely for the international market. There are great Nigerian musicians with little or no online presence because the country is not yet too advanced in internet technology. So since most of the music stores are not online, most Nigerian musicians are forced to use online music promoters like CD baby, etc., to project their music to the international world.
His books are first published in Nigeria and they can be found in most bookshops. Using the online self publishers is only for the international market since most Nigerian bookshops are not online.
To Nancy I have read the notability guidelines for biographies —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Another link posted by Rapulu
I was just reading Nigerian newspapers when I saw this link. The Punch is voted - I think, for the past four consecutive years - as the most circulated newspaper in Nigeria
This article should be deleted. The subject of the BLP, his album and his books are not notable. Wikipedia rules of notability have very clear guidelines for notability, and the links provided by Rapulu to prove notability are either unreliable sources or highly questionable.
I've gone through all 11 (eleven) links provided by Rapulu and cross-checked them for reliability. Here's my summary: all eleven links are either unreliable, or the content of the source is highly questionable.
1) In this highly questionable interview, the subject of the BLP is quoted as saying, that Mother Theresa made a prophesy concerning him, that he "would one day be honoured with the Nobel Prize." Wikipedia's Rule of Verifiability states that Exceptional claims in Wikipedia require high-quality sources. If such sources are not available, the material should not be included. Due to the exceptional claim found in this source, this source therefore is highly questionable, and thusly not reliable.
2) This link leads to a blogspot ----> Wikipedia:Source#Sources states: "....blogs are largely not acceptable". = unreliable source.
3) This link leads to a page from a german non-notable internet radio = unreliable source
4) youtube link. no further comment required here. (=unreliable source, for those who still don't know)
5) blogspot. not acceptable as a reliable source.
6) blogspot. not acceptable as a reliable source.
7) This article has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of the BLP. The title of the article is: "Will you allow your partner’s ex spend the night in your house?" The subject of the BLP is only mentioned once in this article in one line: "No way, not in my own house - Lurrenz, Musician". This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
8) Title of the article: "More tears for Michael Jackson in Nollywood". Subject of the BLP says he can't go to Michael Jacksons concert "because Mike is no more". This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
9) Topic: Nollywood stars mourn Jackson. Subject of the BLP is quoted thusly: "I was one of the first people to be notified as I stated on facebook. Black people are coward. We said he did surgery, a lot of whites did. Some megastars like Victoria Beckham, Jeniffer Lopez among others also did but the world is still worshipping them. We should have supported him." This link is irrelevant and is therefore no reliable source.
10) There is no evidence that this organization is properly registered in Sweden or Denmark. Like all other EU countries, Sweden and Denmark have laws guiding the creation of NGOs or charitable organizations, and like all other EU countries, the websites of NGOs or charitable organizations must provide evidence of proper registration on their website. On http://childrenafrica.com there is no evidence about any proper registration as either a NGO or charitable organization. There is nothing written on the website to indicate that this is a NGO or charitable organization. To further confuse the matter, on the "About us" page of Childrenafrica.com, it is stated that "Children Africa was founded in Sweden in 2004 by Lawrence R. Onuzulike (a.k.a Lurrenz)." However, on the "Contact us" page, a Danish and Nigerian contact address is written. Due to this inconsistency the impression is created of an unserious organisation which does not fully adhere to Swedish, Danish or EU laws. This link is therefore not a reliable source.
11) This link is about the subject of the BLP, and contains highly questionable information. The article claims that "In Sweden, this cool-looking gentleman is regarded as one of the most important African music artistes living and working in that country." A swedish regional search of the Subject of the BLP yields 19 results. None of these 19 sites are reliable sources. Surely, if the information found on punchontheweb.com is correct, then there must be swedish sites to prove this. Since there are none, this creates the impression that the punchontheweb.com site is using unverified and unchecked information, probably given to them by the subject of the BLP, to write that article. This link therefore is not a reliable source.
The entire 11 links do not in any way prove notability. Amsaim ( talk) 01:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I'm the person that tried to create this page. This is my last response and if it's not enough. Please kindly delete the page. It's beginning to suck up all my energy. When I was creating the page, I was hoping to get help if I do any wrong, I wasn't expecting such a fight, insult and hatred.
Hello Phil Bridger, the link you called a blogspot is not what you think, The link belongs to Guardian Newspapers Visit the papers main website and scroll down you'll still see the link to their weekend art magazine called The Guardian Art Magazine, and that's what you called a blogspot. It doesn't look like you're carrying out as much investigations as you claim.
I never disagreed with the fact that the first time I created the page it sounded like a promotional page, and that was my intention (to promote the subject) because then I didn't know the rules of wikipedia. But when I recreated the page, I removed everything promotional. Yes I'm not a wikipedia expert but I can tell you a whole lot of things I'm expert at that you're not. I made the first mistakes and corrected them, after Nancy pointed them out in a humanely way tome, so why are you bringing it up again? Are you really helping wikipedia or just trying to satisfy your ego. Right now I'm writing like this because I feel offended by the way you tackle this topic. You've call Mr. Lawrence Onuzulike a shameless self promoter, and now you're insulting the The Daily Sun Newspapers for not doing their job or carrying out your style of hatred-laden sad investigation. They don't need an investigation into the subject's life because the subject is well know by all of them and they knew his life, even from Childhood.
And as for the claim that Mother Theresa made the claim to him, how on earth do you want me or the subject to produce proof? He, as a child, could have recorded it by an invisible recorder in other to present it to wikipedia after more than ten years? If you want to found out things, research. Contact the missionary of Charity and confirm about the subject's activities there in 1997, it's that simple
You guys have more energy than I about this issue because I can clearly see that someone is very sad about another person. So kindly delete this page immediately to save everybody headache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.149.20 ( talk) 23:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I just think this should be a friendly debate and not a do-or-die affair. However, there are a few points I want to point out.
If you really want to help and not fight, contact the right places and do proper research and not base your investigations on google search. Africa is not America yet when it comes to putting our lives online. Even google search of the subject showed 42,800 and there are many interviews and articles about him. But somehow you manage to found a way to discredit many major newspapers in Africa. As an African, I find out really amazing.
Have a nice day everybody.
Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.149.20 ( talk) 09:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I'm glad another person entered this conversation because I was tired of dealing with your over zealous editor who shows clear bias in his investigations.
But Pedro please address this questions raised by my friend above. Let your so called Wikipedia admin post the section of European law that states that each NGO must paste their registration on their websites. In Sweden you don't even have to register your NGO to be recognized. What's important to them is that you do good work. Yes, I called the Kommune and asked about this before writing it. And oh yes, Children Africa was duly registered in Malmo, southern Sweden. I've taken photographs of this page, as advised by the Nigerian community in Uppsala - which happened to have an end of the year meeting some days back where I showed them this discussion, hence my friends response above. We have decided to ask Wikipedia the following questions;
If we don't get proper answer to the above. We'll now go further with our complain. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC) reply
So it's now clear that your over zealous editor cannot confirm his lies and made up EU laws. Welcome to Wikipedia. So now you can happy delete the page I created. And as for blocking me, that was too late because I've since yesterday searched Wikipedia on how to delete my account because I want nothing to do with a place like this. Too bad that accounts can't be deleted. Meanwhile delete the page Lawrence Onuzulike. Yes I've given the go ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapulu ( talk • contribs) 09:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC) reply