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The result was keep. postdlf ( talk) 22:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Laurent Clerc Award
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Unnotable award that has received no significant media attention. Fails WP:GNG Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep. Write-up here, notable deaf people such as inventor of the modem Robert Weitbrecht won it before he died after being hit by a car. References added; important award for the deaf community.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. That reference just an announcement about one winner by the student newspaper of the university that bestows the award. Also, notability isn't inherited from notable people who have received the award. Clarityfiend ( talk) 06:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I hear what you're saying.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 10:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. I added just a little bit to the article. Seems like a significant award in its area, i.e. contributors to deaf-mutes; who better than a Gallaudet(sp?) alumni group to make such an award. Longrunning award, so now in fact the article becomes a useful list of notable persons in this area, for one thing. Some more citations documenting wider public awareness of the award itself would help, but that is a matter for tagging and editing, not deletion. Seems significant, helpful; it does not help the Wikipedia grow to delete this article. -- do ncr am 23:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Addendum: I think many of the winners are going to be individually notable. Searching on one of the award winners, Berta Foster, brings me to Google book "Deaf Persons in the Arts and Sciences: A Biographical Dictionary" by Harry G. Lang. In a long passage on Andrew Foster (Berta's husband), it is mentioned that Andrew Foster won the 1975 "Gallaudet College Alumni Association Award", which I presume is another name for the Clerc Award. And Andrew Foster is described in a quote from a eulogy there as 'Andrew Foster is to Africa what Thomas Hawkins Gallaudet is to the United States of America'. There's probably enough for an article about Andrew Foster if one does not exist yet. [And there is article already, at Andrew Foster (educator). I can't explain current list-article mentioning a different person Turc not Andrew Foster as 1975 winner. Maybe the article needs to cover 2 awards offered by Gallaudet, if they are different but similar ones.
- More external coverage of the award(s) may come from searching on those. But, whether or not internet searches find recent coverage or not, I think the longstanding award is in fact notable (though maybe off-internet sources document better), and it is useful for prompting development of list of notable person. Keep it for now, tag however you like, and I for one will work on it. This could be revisited in 6 months. --
do
ncr
am 15:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Addendum 2: This Gaullaudet University Alumni Association (GUAA) awards page clarifies about several related awards. I think the one article can/should be expanded to be about all of them. The Clerc award is about outstanding social contributions by a deaf person in service of deaf persons; another is about outstanding achievement by a deaf person in an unrelated field, etc. This expansion is for editing and for discussion at article Talk page; my point here is that there is plenty to cover about important persons like Robert Weitbrecht, mentioned below by Disavian, who invented the modem. -- do ncr am 12:10, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 17:19, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep When I was working on Robert Weitbrecht, the references made it sound like this was an important award, so I went ahead and wrote this list. I'm guessing that most winners of this award are ignored by most mainstream press coverage, but I'm betting that they're actually quite notable. Disavian ( talk) 03:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The last item on the WP:INHERIT states "there are lots of famous people on this list, so it's notable" is not a valid reason to keep an article. I could award the Clarityfiend Splendiferous Award for Awesome People to Einstein, Gandhi and the Pope. It doesn't mean it should be included in Wikipedia. As you've implied in your comment, there's no "mainstream press coverage" of the award. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your comments clang claxon-like, clacking in my eardrums, clarifying my continuing clamor that within the deaf community, the accolade is conspicuous and clear. When capital kinsmen in the hearingless clan such as Carol are conferred with it, the clear cut consensus is us Wikipedians should hear the sound that the award makes, so we can clap and clap and clap.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- Clarityfiend, your point is noted, but no one is manufacturing such an artificial list. And the alliteration noted, too, Tomwsulcer! But, I agree with Disavian that the award mentions that I have seen seem to suggest this is an important award. And, the article topic can be broadened to cover other deaf - hearing related awards and award-winners, too. Again, I haven't found my way to deadtree references about the one award, but it is a long-running one, predating the internet. I am quite sure there is plenty of material on the broad topic area of deaf/hearing related awards and lists of winners. -- do ncr am 23:50, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. postdlf ( talk) 22:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Laurent Clerc Award
- Laurent Clerc Award ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Unnotable award that has received no significant media attention. Fails WP:GNG Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep. Write-up here, notable deaf people such as inventor of the modem Robert Weitbrecht won it before he died after being hit by a car. References added; important award for the deaf community.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. That reference just an announcement about one winner by the student newspaper of the university that bestows the award. Also, notability isn't inherited from notable people who have received the award. Clarityfiend ( talk) 06:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. I hear what you're saying.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 10:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. I added just a little bit to the article. Seems like a significant award in its area, i.e. contributors to deaf-mutes; who better than a Gallaudet(sp?) alumni group to make such an award. Longrunning award, so now in fact the article becomes a useful list of notable persons in this area, for one thing. Some more citations documenting wider public awareness of the award itself would help, but that is a matter for tagging and editing, not deletion. Seems significant, helpful; it does not help the Wikipedia grow to delete this article. -- do ncr am 23:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Addendum: I think many of the winners are going to be individually notable. Searching on one of the award winners, Berta Foster, brings me to Google book "Deaf Persons in the Arts and Sciences: A Biographical Dictionary" by Harry G. Lang. In a long passage on Andrew Foster (Berta's husband), it is mentioned that Andrew Foster won the 1975 "Gallaudet College Alumni Association Award", which I presume is another name for the Clerc Award. And Andrew Foster is described in a quote from a eulogy there as 'Andrew Foster is to Africa what Thomas Hawkins Gallaudet is to the United States of America'. There's probably enough for an article about Andrew Foster if one does not exist yet. [And there is article already, at Andrew Foster (educator). I can't explain current list-article mentioning a different person Turc not Andrew Foster as 1975 winner. Maybe the article needs to cover 2 awards offered by Gallaudet, if they are different but similar ones.
- More external coverage of the award(s) may come from searching on those. But, whether or not internet searches find recent coverage or not, I think the longstanding award is in fact notable (though maybe off-internet sources document better), and it is useful for prompting development of list of notable person. Keep it for now, tag however you like, and I for one will work on it. This could be revisited in 6 months. --
do
ncr
am 15:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Addendum 2: This Gaullaudet University Alumni Association (GUAA) awards page clarifies about several related awards. I think the one article can/should be expanded to be about all of them. The Clerc award is about outstanding social contributions by a deaf person in service of deaf persons; another is about outstanding achievement by a deaf person in an unrelated field, etc. This expansion is for editing and for discussion at article Talk page; my point here is that there is plenty to cover about important persons like Robert Weitbrecht, mentioned below by Disavian, who invented the modem. -- do ncr am 12:10, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 17:19, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep When I was working on Robert Weitbrecht, the references made it sound like this was an important award, so I went ahead and wrote this list. I'm guessing that most winners of this award are ignored by most mainstream press coverage, but I'm betting that they're actually quite notable. Disavian ( talk) 03:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The last item on the WP:INHERIT states "there are lots of famous people on this list, so it's notable" is not a valid reason to keep an article. I could award the Clarityfiend Splendiferous Award for Awesome People to Einstein, Gandhi and the Pope. It doesn't mean it should be included in Wikipedia. As you've implied in your comment, there's no "mainstream press coverage" of the award. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- Your comments clang claxon-like, clacking in my eardrums, clarifying my continuing clamor that within the deaf community, the accolade is conspicuous and clear. When capital kinsmen in the hearingless clan such as Carol are conferred with it, the clear cut consensus is us Wikipedians should hear the sound that the award makes, so we can clap and clap and clap.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 11:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- Clarityfiend, your point is noted, but no one is manufacturing such an artificial list. And the alliteration noted, too, Tomwsulcer! But, I agree with Disavian that the award mentions that I have seen seem to suggest this is an important award. And, the article topic can be broadened to cover other deaf - hearing related awards and award-winners, too. Again, I haven't found my way to deadtree references about the one award, but it is a long-running one, predating the internet. I am quite sure there is plenty of material on the broad topic area of deaf/hearing related awards and lists of winners. -- do ncr am 23:50, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.