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The result was keep. As there would appear to be sources to indicate notability, the consensus would appear to be veering towards keep, even by those who had left a delete comment. If no improvement is made in a reasonable time, then a second AfD could be opened for this article PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 05:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Latrelle
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Singer/songwriter. The article is one big fluff piece without any reliable sources (and a second one existed at MzMunchie until just now). The text can be found all over the web, but I now assume it was written (and posted here?) by her representation.
- I can find no reliable sources covering her at all
- She seems to have released a single EP ( itunes). Per the WP:NMUSIC guideline this is not considered sufficient indication of notability for a standalone article.
Amalthea 20:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 22:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete as what Candleabracadabra said, the article does not meet most of the criteria listed on WP:MUSBIO specially reliable sources. ///EuroCar GT 01:33, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 03:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete No media coverage as Latrelle or MzMunchie. Can't find any reviews of her EP. Not notable. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I found this article from VIBE, an allmusic bio, and Popular Music: An Annotated Index of American Popular Songs appears to credit her with co-writing a Grammy-nominated song, so I'm a bit mystified with all the comments stating that no coverage at all could be found. -- Michig ( talk) 17:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I also found this from Edge Boston and here's a Billboard Dance Club Songs chart showing her at number 50. -- Michig ( talk) 18:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. Per my comments above. The arguments that coverage doesn't exist have been shown to be groundless. --
Michig (
talk) 10:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oy, it seems my Google-fu was weak, sorry about that.
The article would need to be pretty much stubbed to get it verifiable, but a page in Vibe (magazine) is generally sufficient for me. Is a song on Dance Club Songs ( Hot Dance Club Songs?) an acceptable "country's national music chart" as per WP:MUSICBIO criterion 2? Amalthea 15:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oy, it seems my Google-fu was weak, sorry about that.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- Relisted for more discussion of Michig's sources. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 05:41, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Could User:Amalthea, User:Candleabracadabra, User:EuroCarGT, and User:Colapeninsula comment on whether the links provided above convince them of the subject's notability and strike or reaffirm their !votes? Mark Arsten ( talk) 05:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- I'm waiting for someone to do something with the article. :) Yes, the sources identified above establish notability. No, I haven't changed my vote because the current article isn't written from those (or any) verifiable sources and should probably be deleted if it's not fixed. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 13:06, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- The links above shows notability as she wrote songs for Destiny Child as what Candleabracadabra said above, I wouldn't change my !vote for now due to the current state of the article.
///EuroCar
GT 15:13, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- See
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. I'm happy to improve the article if it's kept, but don't want to spend an hour of my time on something that's going to get deleted. If you feel that notability is there and that the article can be brought up to scratch, the right thing to do is keep it. --
Michig (
talk) 15:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- If the article isn't cleaned up it should be deleted. It can always be moved to userspace if someone wants to work on it later. If it's deleted it can also be started fresh from the sources noted above. Promotional content that isn't verifiable isn't appropriate to include in Wikipedia and that's what the article consists of at present. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 15:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- See
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. I'm happy to improve the article if it's kept, but don't want to spend an hour of my time on something that's going to get deleted. If you feel that notability is there and that the article can be brought up to scratch, the right thing to do is keep it. --
Michig (
talk) 15:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
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The result was keep. As there would appear to be sources to indicate notability, the consensus would appear to be veering towards keep, even by those who had left a delete comment. If no improvement is made in a reasonable time, then a second AfD could be opened for this article PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 05:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Latrelle
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Singer/songwriter. The article is one big fluff piece without any reliable sources (and a second one existed at MzMunchie until just now). The text can be found all over the web, but I now assume it was written (and posted here?) by her representation.
- I can find no reliable sources covering her at all
- She seems to have released a single EP ( itunes). Per the WP:NMUSIC guideline this is not considered sufficient indication of notability for a standalone article.
Amalthea 20:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 22:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete as what Candleabracadabra said, the article does not meet most of the criteria listed on WP:MUSBIO specially reliable sources. ///EuroCar GT 01:33, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 03:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 03:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Delete No media coverage as Latrelle or MzMunchie. Can't find any reviews of her EP. Not notable. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I found this article from VIBE, an allmusic bio, and Popular Music: An Annotated Index of American Popular Songs appears to credit her with co-writing a Grammy-nominated song, so I'm a bit mystified with all the comments stating that no coverage at all could be found. -- Michig ( talk) 17:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. I also found this from Edge Boston and here's a Billboard Dance Club Songs chart showing her at number 50. -- Michig ( talk) 18:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. Per my comments above. The arguments that coverage doesn't exist have been shown to be groundless. --
Michig (
talk) 10:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oy, it seems my Google-fu was weak, sorry about that.
The article would need to be pretty much stubbed to get it verifiable, but a page in Vibe (magazine) is generally sufficient for me. Is a song on Dance Club Songs ( Hot Dance Club Songs?) an acceptable "country's national music chart" as per WP:MUSICBIO criterion 2? Amalthea 15:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oy, it seems my Google-fu was weak, sorry about that.
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
- Relisted for more discussion of Michig's sources. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 05:41, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Could User:Amalthea, User:Candleabracadabra, User:EuroCarGT, and User:Colapeninsula comment on whether the links provided above convince them of the subject's notability and strike or reaffirm their !votes? Mark Arsten ( talk) 05:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- I'm waiting for someone to do something with the article. :) Yes, the sources identified above establish notability. No, I haven't changed my vote because the current article isn't written from those (or any) verifiable sources and should probably be deleted if it's not fixed. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 13:06, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- The links above shows notability as she wrote songs for Destiny Child as what Candleabracadabra said above, I wouldn't change my !vote for now due to the current state of the article.
///EuroCar
GT 15:13, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- See
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. I'm happy to improve the article if it's kept, but don't want to spend an hour of my time on something that's going to get deleted. If you feel that notability is there and that the article can be brought up to scratch, the right thing to do is keep it. --
Michig (
talk) 15:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- If the article isn't cleaned up it should be deleted. It can always be moved to userspace if someone wants to work on it later. If it's deleted it can also be started fresh from the sources noted above. Promotional content that isn't verifiable isn't appropriate to include in Wikipedia and that's what the article consists of at present. Candleabracadabra ( talk) 15:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- See
WP:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. I'm happy to improve the article if it's kept, but don't want to spend an hour of my time on something that's going to get deleted. If you feel that notability is there and that the article can be brought up to scratch, the right thing to do is keep it. --
Michig (
talk) 15:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.