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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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Newsom was previously the subject of an AfD in 2017 that reached no consensus. Since then, no additional evidence supporting WP:MUSIC notability has come up.
- Regarding criteria 1 about "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable...", the only such source I could find was this brief review in 2012 written by Pride.com, an LGBT website. A google search for "Landon Newsom" Matriarch returns just 26 results. Same applies for criteria 4 about reliable sources comprehensively reporting on live performances/concerts.
Newsom also does not meet criteria 2 and 3 about having work that charted anywhere in the world or was gold certified.
Regarding criteria 5 "two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels", discography pages on allmusic and discogs do not indicate she (or her band Killmatriarch) meets that standard.
The one part of WP:MUSIC she could meet is 10 about "performed music for a work of media that is notable" due to her music being featured on mainstream TV shows The Real World and 90210.
Nowadays, Newsom has given up music for a podcast called " GrowUpLive" that has just under 150 subscribers on youTube as of this writing. So she wouldn't be notable as a podcast host either. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 21:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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- I had trouble finding features focused on her solo career, and articles on her superband project were slim as well. I'm not comfortable recommending a simple delete when she's collaborated with quite a few projects and a redirect to one of them might be more appropriate. I would say merge to a KillMatriarch page if that seemed more supportable itself. JamieWhat ( talk) 22:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If she indeed charted in the Billboard Hot 100, as claimed, she would pass. A basic search to verify this turned up nothing, but a deeper word search of the Billboard Charts is behind a "professionals account" paywall. If another editor has such an account, this should be easily verified. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:03, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- If she did chart on any Billboard chart, Billboard.com would have an entry for her that is free to the public. It does not, so that claim seems to be an unverified claim made up on Wikipedia. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 18:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- That is incorrect, Billboard has deleted a lot of public content, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Every full Hot 100 chart dating back to August 1958 is available for free on Billboard.com (using the calendar menu). Individual artist pages list Bubbling Under Hot 100 (where her single might have charted), but Billboard.com has no entry about Landon Newsom, Landon, or Matriarch. If it cannot be verified that she ever had a song chart on Billboard, the chart notability criteria isn't met. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 05:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Person does not satisfy either the GNG or MUSICBIO. Plenty of false chart claims are made on Wikipedia, and this looks like one of them. PK650 ( talk) 22:32, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete (ec) The Hot 100 archive is easily searchable using google "Only 20" gets a couple of ghits from 1988 about a different song. The Pride article is nothing more than promo and there doesn't seem to be any significant coverage about her. Mattg82 ( talk) 22:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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- Landon Newsom ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Newsom was previously the subject of an AfD in 2017 that reached no consensus. Since then, no additional evidence supporting WP:MUSIC notability has come up.
- Regarding criteria 1 about "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable...", the only such source I could find was this brief review in 2012 written by Pride.com, an LGBT website. A google search for "Landon Newsom" Matriarch returns just 26 results. Same applies for criteria 4 about reliable sources comprehensively reporting on live performances/concerts.
Newsom also does not meet criteria 2 and 3 about having work that charted anywhere in the world or was gold certified.
Regarding criteria 5 "two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels", discography pages on allmusic and discogs do not indicate she (or her band Killmatriarch) meets that standard.
The one part of WP:MUSIC she could meet is 10 about "performed music for a work of media that is notable" due to her music being featured on mainstream TV shows The Real World and 90210.
Nowadays, Newsom has given up music for a podcast called " GrowUpLive" that has just under 150 subscribers on youTube as of this writing. So she wouldn't be notable as a podcast host either. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 21:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I had trouble finding features focused on her solo career, and articles on her superband project were slim as well. I'm not comfortable recommending a simple delete when she's collaborated with quite a few projects and a redirect to one of them might be more appropriate. I would say merge to a KillMatriarch page if that seemed more supportable itself. JamieWhat ( talk) 22:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If she indeed charted in the Billboard Hot 100, as claimed, she would pass. A basic search to verify this turned up nothing, but a deeper word search of the Billboard Charts is behind a "professionals account" paywall. If another editor has such an account, this should be easily verified. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:03, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- If she did chart on any Billboard chart, Billboard.com would have an entry for her that is free to the public. It does not, so that claim seems to be an unverified claim made up on Wikipedia. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 18:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- That is incorrect, Billboard has deleted a lot of public content, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Every full Hot 100 chart dating back to August 1958 is available for free on Billboard.com (using the calendar menu). Individual artist pages list Bubbling Under Hot 100 (where her single might have charted), but Billboard.com has no entry about Landon Newsom, Landon, or Matriarch. If it cannot be verified that she ever had a song chart on Billboard, the chart notability criteria isn't met. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 05:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Person does not satisfy either the GNG or MUSICBIO. Plenty of false chart claims are made on Wikipedia, and this looks like one of them. PK650 ( talk) 22:32, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete (ec) The Hot 100 archive is easily searchable using google "Only 20" gets a couple of ghits from 1988 about a different song. The Pride article is nothing more than promo and there doesn't seem to be any significant coverage about her. Mattg82 ( talk) 22:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.