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The result was redirect to Yoko Ono. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 09:11, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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WP:BLP of a person with no particularly strong claim of independent notability in her own right besides having famous relatives. Notability is not inherited, however, and the article is not sourced nearly well enough to grant her notability for anything besides being her mother's daughter: the only sources here are IMDb (not a reliable or notability-conferring source); a video clip of the press conference, which is hiding behind a paywall; and a single news story which is fundamentally about her mother rather than her. Two other sources had to be disappeared because the creator had WP:COPYVIOed their entire text directly into the article, but one of them was just a repeat of the same news article about mom; and the other was credited only to "The Advertiser", with no discernible indication of which Advertiser was involved (thus making it impossible to determine whether it was one of the reliable publications by that name or one of the pennysavers.) And it warrants mention that the more usual form of her name, Kyoko Cox, has always just been (and still is) a redirect to mama rather than a standalone article -- plus she's a low-profile private citizen, so this can constitute an undue invasion of her privacy. She's effectively just a WP:BLP1E, if anything. None of this suggests that we need a standalone biography of her, especially if the sourcing for it is this weak -- limiting our coverage to the relatively few aspects that actually warrant mention in her mother's article is all we really need. Redirect to Yoko Ono. Bearcat ( talk) 02:40, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think a seperate article for Kyoto Cox should be kept for ease of reference. It can be tedious and off putting having to read through the Yoko Ono or Tony Cox articles to obtain the particulars of their daughter.
AlwynJPie (
talk)
15:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Ease of reference" doesn't exempt a person from having to (a) attain
notability for something in her own right besides "daughter of famous person", or (b) having to be the subject of media coverage in her own right for something, as opposed to merely being glancingly namechecked in coverage in which her mother, not her, is the subject of that coverage. What needs to be shown, but hasn't, is evidence that Kyoko is a person that readers are looking for information about separately from her mother, and that sufficient sourcing about her exists to support an article.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- There has been some media coverage inasmuch as Kyoto was the subject of a custody battle between her parents. Kyoko is mentioned in the Wikipedia articles on her parents; and her name, in various forms, is redirected to her mother's article. Having to look through the article on her mother to find out details about her can be slow. How famous does a person have to be to warrent a Wikipedia article? What is the problem with Kyoko having a seperate article?
AlwynJPie (
talk)
19:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Being in the middle of a custody battle between her parents constitutes coverage of the parents, not of her — because (a) her parents and stepfather are the ones doing something in that coverage, while she's just a minor bystander who's being done to rather than actually doing anything in her own right, and (b) even that coverage wouldn't exist at all if the parents weren't already famous. Being mentioned in Wikipedia articles about other people is not, in and of itself, grounds for a separate article about a person, because notability is not inherited. And we have lots of Wikipedia articles about people who aren't "famous" by any normal definition of that term — but what those people are is notable by virtue of having done something (as opposed to "had something done to them") which has made them the subject of enough media coverage (as opposed to "briefly mentioned in media coverage of other subjects") to satisfy WP:GNG. Bearcat ( talk) 19:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- There has been some media coverage inasmuch as Kyoto was the subject of a custody battle between her parents. Kyoko is mentioned in the Wikipedia articles on her parents; and her name, in various forms, is redirected to her mother's article. Having to look through the article on her mother to find out details about her can be slow. How famous does a person have to be to warrent a Wikipedia article? What is the problem with Kyoko having a seperate article?
AlwynJPie (
talk)
19:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Ease of reference" doesn't exempt a person from having to (a) attain
notability for something in her own right besides "daughter of famous person", or (b) having to be the subject of media coverage in her own right for something, as opposed to merely being glancingly namechecked in coverage in which her mother, not her, is the subject of that coverage. What needs to be shown, but hasn't, is evidence that Kyoko is a person that readers are looking for information about separately from her mother, and that sufficient sourcing about her exists to support an article.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to Yoko Ono, per Bearcat. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Yoko Ono. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 09:11, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Kyoko Ono Cox ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:BLP of a person with no particularly strong claim of independent notability in her own right besides having famous relatives. Notability is not inherited, however, and the article is not sourced nearly well enough to grant her notability for anything besides being her mother's daughter: the only sources here are IMDb (not a reliable or notability-conferring source); a video clip of the press conference, which is hiding behind a paywall; and a single news story which is fundamentally about her mother rather than her. Two other sources had to be disappeared because the creator had WP:COPYVIOed their entire text directly into the article, but one of them was just a repeat of the same news article about mom; and the other was credited only to "The Advertiser", with no discernible indication of which Advertiser was involved (thus making it impossible to determine whether it was one of the reliable publications by that name or one of the pennysavers.) And it warrants mention that the more usual form of her name, Kyoko Cox, has always just been (and still is) a redirect to mama rather than a standalone article -- plus she's a low-profile private citizen, so this can constitute an undue invasion of her privacy. She's effectively just a WP:BLP1E, if anything. None of this suggests that we need a standalone biography of her, especially if the sourcing for it is this weak -- limiting our coverage to the relatively few aspects that actually warrant mention in her mother's article is all we really need. Redirect to Yoko Ono. Bearcat ( talk) 02:40, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think a seperate article for Kyoto Cox should be kept for ease of reference. It can be tedious and off putting having to read through the Yoko Ono or Tony Cox articles to obtain the particulars of their daughter.
AlwynJPie (
talk)
15:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Ease of reference" doesn't exempt a person from having to (a) attain
notability for something in her own right besides "daughter of famous person", or (b) having to be the subject of media coverage in her own right for something, as opposed to merely being glancingly namechecked in coverage in which her mother, not her, is the subject of that coverage. What needs to be shown, but hasn't, is evidence that Kyoko is a person that readers are looking for information about separately from her mother, and that sufficient sourcing about her exists to support an article.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- There has been some media coverage inasmuch as Kyoto was the subject of a custody battle between her parents. Kyoko is mentioned in the Wikipedia articles on her parents; and her name, in various forms, is redirected to her mother's article. Having to look through the article on her mother to find out details about her can be slow. How famous does a person have to be to warrent a Wikipedia article? What is the problem with Kyoko having a seperate article?
AlwynJPie (
talk)
19:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Being in the middle of a custody battle between her parents constitutes coverage of the parents, not of her — because (a) her parents and stepfather are the ones doing something in that coverage, while she's just a minor bystander who's being done to rather than actually doing anything in her own right, and (b) even that coverage wouldn't exist at all if the parents weren't already famous. Being mentioned in Wikipedia articles about other people is not, in and of itself, grounds for a separate article about a person, because notability is not inherited. And we have lots of Wikipedia articles about people who aren't "famous" by any normal definition of that term — but what those people are is notable by virtue of having done something (as opposed to "had something done to them") which has made them the subject of enough media coverage (as opposed to "briefly mentioned in media coverage of other subjects") to satisfy WP:GNG. Bearcat ( talk) 19:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- There has been some media coverage inasmuch as Kyoto was the subject of a custody battle between her parents. Kyoko is mentioned in the Wikipedia articles on her parents; and her name, in various forms, is redirected to her mother's article. Having to look through the article on her mother to find out details about her can be slow. How famous does a person have to be to warrent a Wikipedia article? What is the problem with Kyoko having a seperate article?
AlwynJPie (
talk)
19:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Ease of reference" doesn't exempt a person from having to (a) attain
notability for something in her own right besides "daughter of famous person", or (b) having to be the subject of media coverage in her own right for something, as opposed to merely being glancingly namechecked in coverage in which her mother, not her, is the subject of that coverage. What needs to be shown, but hasn't, is evidence that Kyoko is a person that readers are looking for information about separately from her mother, and that sufficient sourcing about her exists to support an article.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to Yoko Ono, per Bearcat. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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