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The result was no consensus whether to keep as a standalone or merge, but that doesn't require a relist. There is further no consensus to delete the content Star Mississippi 01:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Kornbread Jeté
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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BLP1E, and WP:ENTERTAINER. Lacks significant coverage in quality independent sources. Subject placed 12th on the current season of RuPaul's Drag Race, and withdrew early from the competition due to an injury. Sources are either too closely connected to the subject, not in-depth, or fail because of quality issues per policy at WP:TABLOID. There is no WP:SUSTAINED coverage of the subject with sources revolving entirely around this year's RuPaul's Drag Race reality competition. Nothing to indicate the subject is notable outside of season 14 of Drag Race, and that the subject should have a stand alone article. See source analysis below. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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| Source | Significant? | Independent? | Reliable? | Secondary? | Pass/Fail | Notes |
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| @kornbreadtmfs (January 14, 2022). "🎂• Today I turn 30 years old. 🏳⚧• On this same day last year I started my transition into the amazing woman I am today! I appreciate you all! From friends family and my new family thru @RuPaulsDragRace @WorldOfWonder let's make this year INSANE" ( Tweet) – via Twitter. |  |
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Self reported. People in entertainment are not always reliable about self reporting an accurate age. Also fails per WP:TWITTER. TWITTER should never be used to verify content on wikipedia. |
| Fernandes, Aurelia (December 29, 2021). "'RuPaul's Drag Race': Meet the drag queens all set to compete in Season 14!". Meaww. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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An Indian celebrity news tabloid. Essentially a regurgitated press release from World of Wonder provided to the media. Press releases lack independence per AFD policy. Further MEAWW often publishes stories for pay by the subject of its articles and works as a PR platform for money; thus anything it publishes lacks independene and cannot be considered reliable. |
| "Meet Kornbread TMF Snack Jeté of Kornbread Jeté". Voyage LA. August 10, 2020. Retrieved January 17, 2022. |  |
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As an interview, lacks independence from the subject and should be used with caution as a way of verifying information. For notability purposes, cannot be used as evidence for meeting GNG. |
| Kornbread Jeté and June Jambalaya: Roscoe's RPDR Season 14 Viewing Party with Batty and Naysha. Chicago, Illinois. January 28, 2022. Event occurs at 45:03. Retrieved January 29, 2022. | |
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| Brown, Kailyn (2022-01-07). "Star Trek Exhibit, Jack Harlow Show, and Other Best Things To Do in L.A. This Weekend". Los Angeles Magazine. Archived from the original on 2022-01-07. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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Promotional advertisement for an event. Lacks independence and has limited reliability (only proves a future event was advertised not that it actually occurred; we need an independent review covering the actual event and published after it happended to verify it.) |
Sheehan, John Benutty,Paul; Benutty, John; Sheehan, Paul (2022-01-08).
"'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 episode 1 recap: Which queen is sent packing in 'Big Opening' part one?". GoldDerby. Retrieved 2022-02-06.{{
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This is a routine WP:TABLOID recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was discussed. As a simple recap as opposed to a critical review, I would consider this closer to a primary source rather than a true secondary source. It can verify content about this episode of show and her involvement, but it lacks significance due to WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWS for the purposes of evaluating WP:GNG. ) |
| Nolfi, Joey (January 7, 2022). "The best moments from the 'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 premiere". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is a routine news recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was named as a highlight. This is approaching a positive critical review, but it's such a short article and lacks any significant analysis of Kornbread and her drag (merely stating what she did and not really analyzing why it worked and why it made an impact) that it's not really what I would consider a "review" but a PR puff piece for the TV show. In other words, it's a thinly written news story and therefore lacks significance for GNG purposes.) |
| "This 'Drag Race' Season 14 Queen Just Pulled Out of the Competition". www.out.com. 2022-02-04. Retrieved 2022-02-05. | |
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Off all the sources in the article, this is the best one. It's independent and Kornbread is the main subject. But is it really significant? A drag contestant getting injured early in the season and having to withdraw does not leave much of a legacy. Certainly, nothing here that shows Kornbread is significant outside of the reality competition and deserves a stand alone encyclopedia article separate from the article on the television series. |
"Login • Instagram". www.instagram.com. Retrieved 2022-01-25. {{
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A link to the generic login page of instagram. This doesn't verify anything, including the content that it claims to verify where it is cited in the article. |
| "Kerri Colby and Kornbread Jeté Are Making Trans "Drag Race" History". them. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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Promotional article for upcoming 14th season (now airing) of RuPaul's Drag Race. Essentially boils down to highlighting that this is the first season of Drag Race with multiple trans constestants. Given that there have been many trans queens now on the show in past seasons, this seems to be more of a pertinent fact for the article on this individual season of the show as opposed to providing any significant coverage or notability on Kornbread as a drag artist. What did we learn about her other than she is trans, a drag queen, and from L.A. who is competing on the show? Nothing. |
| Holmes, Juwan J. "RuPaul's Drag Race will have two trans competitors & a cis straight queen for first time". LGBTQ Nation. Archived from the original on 2022-01-03. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is the second promotional article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season (but published before it aired to promote the show) of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14). |
| "'Drag Race' Season 14 Queens Say It's Going to Be 'Transtastic'". www.advocate.com. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is the third article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14). Also lacks independence as an interview. |
| Currinn, Jonathon. "WATCH: Kameron Michaels Has Released Debut Music Video "Freedom"". Celeb Mix. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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Brief name drop of Kornbread in a long list of drag queens who appeared in this music video. Nothing signficant for GNG purposes. |
| Scarlet Envy- Is It Me? (Official Music Video). Scarlet Envy. September 2, 2021. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
| Orville Peck - C'mon Baby, Cry (Official Video). Orville Peck. February 10, 2022. Retrieved February 16, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
| Spectrum]. Jubilee. July 26, 2019. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
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- Thanks for your assessment of sources currently used as inline citations. Have you also searched for other sources not currently used as citations? I have not (yet), but I'm curious if you've completed a thorough search before nominating. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
20:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was unable to locate any significant coverage in a
WP:BEFORE search. I think it's
WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this artist. @
Another Believer As you are the primary author and creator of this article, I am surprised that you haven't already "searched" for significant coverage as you penned the article. I would assume that you would have already located and included the best sources available in your earlier work.
4meter4 (
talk)
20:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for confirming. For the record, I appreciate your work here and take no offense the page has been flagged. I will say, though, if editors decide not to keep the entry, I recommend redirecting over deleting because the page serves a purpose as a redirect and the edit history should be preserved. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- What's your assessment of this source:
https://colatoday.6amcity.com/kornbread-the-snack-jete-columbia-sc/ ?
CT55555 (
talk)
18:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not really significant. It’s a rehash of her time on the show, and part of the issue here is demonstrating she has notability outside of drag race season 14. Otherwise there is no reason for an article on Kornbread to exist if the pertinent material can be covered in the article on season 14 of Drag Race. We need sources showing WP:SUSTAINED coverage. What we need is a source showing she’s notable for more than just a single reality competition per WP:BLP1E and WP:ENTERTAINER. 4meter4 ( talk) 18:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was unable to locate any significant coverage in a
WP:BEFORE search. I think it's
WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this artist. @
Another Believer As you are the primary author and creator of this article, I am surprised that you haven't already "searched" for significant coverage as you penned the article. I would assume that you would have already located and included the best sources available in your earlier work.
4meter4 (
talk)
20:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your assessment of sources currently used as inline citations. Have you also searched for other sources not currently used as citations? I have not (yet), but I'm curious if you've completed a thorough search before nominating. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
20:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants - This February 10, 2022 Out article includes WP:SECONDARY commentary/synthesis, e.g. "Though she had to go home, it's safe to say Kornbread left a great and lasting impression on the fandom. She's currently the most-followed season 14 queen on social media after making history for being one of this season's two out trans women...". This February 4, 2022 Entertainment Weekly article also focuses on her, e.g. "Kornbread quickly won fan affection after January's season 14 premiere, across which the entertainer debuted an incredible talent show performance to an original track, [...] and stunned on the runway...". This February 9, 2022 Gay Times interview has some independent introduction, e,g, "The LA queen quickly cemented her status as a frontrunner for the season 14 crown after conquering the first challenge, in which she performed an original rap track to praise from Lizzo, and by showcasing her inner Oscar-winning diva...". The independent content introducing this February 23, 2022 LA Weekly interview includes, "With conversations surrounding trans issues, as well as the differences in gender and sexual preference, pronouns and presentation, each more prominent than ever, Drag Race is more relevant than ever as a platform for understanding how others live their truth." This January 10, 2022 Queerty article discusses the historic nature of her participation, e.g. "This is a stark change from years past, when Drag Race noticeably placed restrictions on trans contestants. Although many contestants have been open about their trans identities, they were still expected to dress as male during their “non-drag” segments of the show." I think information from some of these sources about the show, including Jeté and the historic changes to the show, can be added to where some information already exists in the List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants article, and possibly to the RuPaul's Drag Race article. Without more WP:SUSTAINED and in-depth coverage, it does seem WP:TOOSOON for WP:BASIC/ WP:GNG or WP:ENT notability at this time, but a redirect seems best due to the potential for her career development. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:10, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect is a sensible outcome for the reasons stated by
Beccaynr.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we're to redirect,
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) would be a better target. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is better than my suggested redirect target, and information from sources about the show, including the participants, could also be used to expand that article. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) is the better target. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is better than my suggested redirect target, and information from sources about the show, including the participants, could also be used to expand that article. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we're to redirect,
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) would be a better target. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect is a sensible outcome for the reasons stated by
Beccaynr.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge Probably
WP:TOOSOON. Borderline case, lots of coverage, most shot term and tabloid - I could be persuaded on this point if people disagree. Merge into
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14)
CT55555 (
talk)
03:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did not suggest a merge due to the quality of the sources and the content in the article. With regard to the them article noted below, the focus is on the evolution of the show, and it substantially reprints content from an Entertainment Weekly interview, including quotes from contestants. In the Jeté article, this source supports the fact of her friendship with Colby, but in WP articles about the show generally or the season in particular, it could support new content related to the commentary in the them article, i.e. the inclusion of openly trans contestants. Beccaynr ( talk) 15:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Lean Keep seeing some other RS about her that push me a bit over the line like this, this and this. Also disagree that the them article is not significant. Rab V ( talk) 20:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep as well, per Rab V. I'd rather see sources folded into the article, which needs expanding. Also, deleting the page now would just mean recreating in a few months' time. I agree many of the sources used in the current article are problematic, and I would invite the nominator and other editors to remove bad sources and content appropriately. The article's problematic content does not mean the subject is not notable. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The sources above provided by Rab V do not demonstrate WP:SUSTAINED coverage as they once again revolve around drag race. Further many of those sources are of poor quality and should not be considered evidence of notability per WP:TABLOID. None of the keep votes have successfully demonstrated that the subject passes WP:BLP1E. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It looks as if the subject was getting coverage even before her time on RPDR. Kornbread hosting drag brunch at The Abbey was covered by the Beverly Press here; she appeared in the podcast Listen Sweetie here; and her appearances on the web series Blame the Hero. Then, of course, there's the coverage for RPDR. With that combination, I think the article can be expanded beyond just the RPDR information. -- Kbabej ( talk) 19:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Those sources aren’t significant coverage. The Beverley Press article is essentially an advertisement about the drag brunch at the Abbey and not about Kornbread; although she was hosting the event. A puff piece in WP:LOCAL newspaper advertising an upcoming event is not significant. Likewise, a podcast and television appearance are not evidence of notability. We would need an independent review demonstrating that her appearance on the podcast and web series was significant. As with all articles involving the people in the arts and entertainment, we rely on independent secondary sources such as critical reviews to indicate whether that work is notable. 4meter4 ( talk) 03:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Delete and Comment - I think a lot of Another Believer's Drag Race articles could be considered for deletion. From what I can see, every season he seems to knock up a lacklustre, generically sourced and a mirror of every other drag queen who's appeared on the show, with the same sources. Cue *insert drag queen name* began drag in *insert year*. They are best known for appearing on the #th season of RuPaul's Drag Race. Someone should have a look. Riverflat2021 ( talk) 18:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK, wow, that's not true at all. A lot of the Drag Race articles have been expanded by others but I created the original redirects so one might conclude I'm the original author of many pages. I've also expanded several Drag Race-related entries to Good article status. Sorry to say but your perception of my work is quite incorrect. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
18:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Riverflat2021 has been blocked indefinitely by another editor for disruptive editing. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
19:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it was a bit of a give away a user of one week's tenure knowing what you've been writing about "every season" :) SN54129 19:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Riverflat2021 has been blocked indefinitely by another editor for disruptive editing. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
19:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per 4M4's forensic analysis: an absolute dearth of WP:SIGCOV. SN54129 19:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus whether to keep as a standalone or merge, but that doesn't require a relist. There is further no consensus to delete the content Star Mississippi 01:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Kornbread Jeté
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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BLP1E, and WP:ENTERTAINER. Lacks significant coverage in quality independent sources. Subject placed 12th on the current season of RuPaul's Drag Race, and withdrew early from the competition due to an injury. Sources are either too closely connected to the subject, not in-depth, or fail because of quality issues per policy at WP:TABLOID. There is no WP:SUSTAINED coverage of the subject with sources revolving entirely around this year's RuPaul's Drag Race reality competition. Nothing to indicate the subject is notable outside of season 14 of Drag Race, and that the subject should have a stand alone article. See source analysis below. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Television, Africa, California, and South Carolina. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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| Source | Significant? | Independent? | Reliable? | Secondary? | Pass/Fail | Notes |
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| @kornbreadtmfs (January 14, 2022). "🎂• Today I turn 30 years old. 🏳⚧• On this same day last year I started my transition into the amazing woman I am today! I appreciate you all! From friends family and my new family thru @RuPaulsDragRace @WorldOfWonder let's make this year INSANE" ( Tweet) – via Twitter. | |
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Self reported. People in entertainment are not always reliable about self reporting an accurate age. Also fails per WP:TWITTER. TWITTER should never be used to verify content on wikipedia. |
| Fernandes, Aurelia (December 29, 2021). "'RuPaul's Drag Race': Meet the drag queens all set to compete in Season 14!". Meaww. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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An Indian celebrity news tabloid. Essentially a regurgitated press release from World of Wonder provided to the media. Press releases lack independence per AFD policy. Further MEAWW often publishes stories for pay by the subject of its articles and works as a PR platform for money; thus anything it publishes lacks independene and cannot be considered reliable. |
| "Meet Kornbread TMF Snack Jeté of Kornbread Jeté". Voyage LA. August 10, 2020. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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As an interview, lacks independence from the subject and should be used with caution as a way of verifying information. For notability purposes, cannot be used as evidence for meeting GNG. |
| Kornbread Jeté and June Jambalaya: Roscoe's RPDR Season 14 Viewing Party with Batty and Naysha. Chicago, Illinois. January 28, 2022. Event occurs at 45:03. Retrieved January 29, 2022. | |
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YouTube can never be used as a source per policy at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources; it's ok to use YouTube as an external link in some instances (see WP:YouTube) |
| Brown, Kailyn (2022-01-07). "Star Trek Exhibit, Jack Harlow Show, and Other Best Things To Do in L.A. This Weekend". Los Angeles Magazine. Archived from the original on 2022-01-07. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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Promotional advertisement for an event. Lacks independence and has limited reliability (only proves a future event was advertised not that it actually occurred; we need an independent review covering the actual event and published after it happended to verify it.) |
Sheehan, John Benutty,Paul; Benutty, John; Sheehan, Paul (2022-01-08).
"'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 episode 1 recap: Which queen is sent packing in 'Big Opening' part one?". GoldDerby. Retrieved 2022-02-06.{{
cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
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This is a routine WP:TABLOID recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was discussed. As a simple recap as opposed to a critical review, I would consider this closer to a primary source rather than a true secondary source. It can verify content about this episode of show and her involvement, but it lacks significance due to WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWS for the purposes of evaluating WP:GNG. ) |
| Nolfi, Joey (January 7, 2022). "The best moments from the 'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 premiere". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is a routine news recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was named as a highlight. This is approaching a positive critical review, but it's such a short article and lacks any significant analysis of Kornbread and her drag (merely stating what she did and not really analyzing why it worked and why it made an impact) that it's not really what I would consider a "review" but a PR puff piece for the TV show. In other words, it's a thinly written news story and therefore lacks significance for GNG purposes.) |
| "This 'Drag Race' Season 14 Queen Just Pulled Out of the Competition". www.out.com. 2022-02-04. Retrieved 2022-02-05. | |
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Off all the sources in the article, this is the best one. It's independent and Kornbread is the main subject. But is it really significant? A drag contestant getting injured early in the season and having to withdraw does not leave much of a legacy. Certainly, nothing here that shows Kornbread is significant outside of the reality competition and deserves a stand alone encyclopedia article separate from the article on the television series. |
"Login • Instagram". www.instagram.com. Retrieved 2022-01-25. {{
cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (
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A link to the generic login page of instagram. This doesn't verify anything, including the content that it claims to verify where it is cited in the article. |
| "Kerri Colby and Kornbread Jeté Are Making Trans "Drag Race" History". them. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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Promotional article for upcoming 14th season (now airing) of RuPaul's Drag Race. Essentially boils down to highlighting that this is the first season of Drag Race with multiple trans constestants. Given that there have been many trans queens now on the show in past seasons, this seems to be more of a pertinent fact for the article on this individual season of the show as opposed to providing any significant coverage or notability on Kornbread as a drag artist. What did we learn about her other than she is trans, a drag queen, and from L.A. who is competing on the show? Nothing. |
| Holmes, Juwan J. "RuPaul's Drag Race will have two trans competitors & a cis straight queen for first time". LGBTQ Nation. Archived from the original on 2022-01-03. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is the second promotional article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season (but published before it aired to promote the show) of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14). |
| "'Drag Race' Season 14 Queens Say It's Going to Be 'Transtastic'". www.advocate.com. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. | |
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This is the third article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14). Also lacks independence as an interview. |
| Currinn, Jonathon. "WATCH: Kameron Michaels Has Released Debut Music Video "Freedom"". Celeb Mix. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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Brief name drop of Kornbread in a long list of drag queens who appeared in this music video. Nothing signficant for GNG purposes. |
| Scarlet Envy- Is It Me? (Official Music Video). Scarlet Envy. September 2, 2021. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
| Orville Peck - C'mon Baby, Cry (Official Video). Orville Peck. February 10, 2022. Retrieved February 16, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
| Spectrum]. Jubilee. July 26, 2019. Retrieved January 17, 2022. | |
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ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. |
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- Thanks for your assessment of sources currently used as inline citations. Have you also searched for other sources not currently used as citations? I have not (yet), but I'm curious if you've completed a thorough search before nominating. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
20:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was unable to locate any significant coverage in a
WP:BEFORE search. I think it's
WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this artist. @
Another Believer As you are the primary author and creator of this article, I am surprised that you haven't already "searched" for significant coverage as you penned the article. I would assume that you would have already located and included the best sources available in your earlier work.
4meter4 (
talk)
20:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for confirming. For the record, I appreciate your work here and take no offense the page has been flagged. I will say, though, if editors decide not to keep the entry, I recommend redirecting over deleting because the page serves a purpose as a redirect and the edit history should be preserved. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- What's your assessment of this source:
https://colatoday.6amcity.com/kornbread-the-snack-jete-columbia-sc/ ?
CT55555 (
talk)
18:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not really significant. It’s a rehash of her time on the show, and part of the issue here is demonstrating she has notability outside of drag race season 14. Otherwise there is no reason for an article on Kornbread to exist if the pertinent material can be covered in the article on season 14 of Drag Race. We need sources showing WP:SUSTAINED coverage. What we need is a source showing she’s notable for more than just a single reality competition per WP:BLP1E and WP:ENTERTAINER. 4meter4 ( talk) 18:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was unable to locate any significant coverage in a
WP:BEFORE search. I think it's
WP:TOOSOON to have an article on this artist. @
Another Believer As you are the primary author and creator of this article, I am surprised that you haven't already "searched" for significant coverage as you penned the article. I would assume that you would have already located and included the best sources available in your earlier work.
4meter4 (
talk)
20:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your assessment of sources currently used as inline citations. Have you also searched for other sources not currently used as citations? I have not (yet), but I'm curious if you've completed a thorough search before nominating. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
20:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants - This February 10, 2022 Out article includes WP:SECONDARY commentary/synthesis, e.g. "Though she had to go home, it's safe to say Kornbread left a great and lasting impression on the fandom. She's currently the most-followed season 14 queen on social media after making history for being one of this season's two out trans women...". This February 4, 2022 Entertainment Weekly article also focuses on her, e.g. "Kornbread quickly won fan affection after January's season 14 premiere, across which the entertainer debuted an incredible talent show performance to an original track, [...] and stunned on the runway...". This February 9, 2022 Gay Times interview has some independent introduction, e,g, "The LA queen quickly cemented her status as a frontrunner for the season 14 crown after conquering the first challenge, in which she performed an original rap track to praise from Lizzo, and by showcasing her inner Oscar-winning diva...". The independent content introducing this February 23, 2022 LA Weekly interview includes, "With conversations surrounding trans issues, as well as the differences in gender and sexual preference, pronouns and presentation, each more prominent than ever, Drag Race is more relevant than ever as a platform for understanding how others live their truth." This January 10, 2022 Queerty article discusses the historic nature of her participation, e.g. "This is a stark change from years past, when Drag Race noticeably placed restrictions on trans contestants. Although many contestants have been open about their trans identities, they were still expected to dress as male during their “non-drag” segments of the show." I think information from some of these sources about the show, including Jeté and the historic changes to the show, can be added to where some information already exists in the List of RuPaul's Drag Race contestants article, and possibly to the RuPaul's Drag Race article. Without more WP:SUSTAINED and in-depth coverage, it does seem WP:TOOSOON for WP:BASIC/ WP:GNG or WP:ENT notability at this time, but a redirect seems best due to the potential for her career development. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:10, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect is a sensible outcome for the reasons stated by
Beccaynr.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we're to redirect,
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) would be a better target. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is better than my suggested redirect target, and information from sources about the show, including the participants, could also be used to expand that article. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) is the better target. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is better than my suggested redirect target, and information from sources about the show, including the participants, could also be used to expand that article. Thank you,
Beccaynr (
talk)
23:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we're to redirect,
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14) would be a better target. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect is a sensible outcome for the reasons stated by
Beccaynr.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge Probably
WP:TOOSOON. Borderline case, lots of coverage, most shot term and tabloid - I could be persuaded on this point if people disagree. Merge into
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14)
CT55555 (
talk)
03:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did not suggest a merge due to the quality of the sources and the content in the article. With regard to the them article noted below, the focus is on the evolution of the show, and it substantially reprints content from an Entertainment Weekly interview, including quotes from contestants. In the Jeté article, this source supports the fact of her friendship with Colby, but in WP articles about the show generally or the season in particular, it could support new content related to the commentary in the them article, i.e. the inclusion of openly trans contestants. Beccaynr ( talk) 15:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Lean Keep seeing some other RS about her that push me a bit over the line like this, this and this. Also disagree that the them article is not significant. Rab V ( talk) 20:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning keep as well, per Rab V. I'd rather see sources folded into the article, which needs expanding. Also, deleting the page now would just mean recreating in a few months' time. I agree many of the sources used in the current article are problematic, and I would invite the nominator and other editors to remove bad sources and content appropriately. The article's problematic content does not mean the subject is not notable. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The sources above provided by Rab V do not demonstrate WP:SUSTAINED coverage as they once again revolve around drag race. Further many of those sources are of poor quality and should not be considered evidence of notability per WP:TABLOID. None of the keep votes have successfully demonstrated that the subject passes WP:BLP1E. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It looks as if the subject was getting coverage even before her time on RPDR. Kornbread hosting drag brunch at The Abbey was covered by the Beverly Press here; she appeared in the podcast Listen Sweetie here; and her appearances on the web series Blame the Hero. Then, of course, there's the coverage for RPDR. With that combination, I think the article can be expanded beyond just the RPDR information. -- Kbabej ( talk) 19:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Those sources aren’t significant coverage. The Beverley Press article is essentially an advertisement about the drag brunch at the Abbey and not about Kornbread; although she was hosting the event. A puff piece in WP:LOCAL newspaper advertising an upcoming event is not significant. Likewise, a podcast and television appearance are not evidence of notability. We would need an independent review demonstrating that her appearance on the podcast and web series was significant. As with all articles involving the people in the arts and entertainment, we rely on independent secondary sources such as critical reviews to indicate whether that work is notable. 4meter4 ( talk) 03:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Delete and Comment - I think a lot of Another Believer's Drag Race articles could be considered for deletion. From what I can see, every season he seems to knock up a lacklustre, generically sourced and a mirror of every other drag queen who's appeared on the show, with the same sources. Cue *insert drag queen name* began drag in *insert year*. They are best known for appearing on the #th season of RuPaul's Drag Race. Someone should have a look. Riverflat2021 ( talk) 18:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK, wow, that's not true at all. A lot of the Drag Race articles have been expanded by others but I created the original redirects so one might conclude I'm the original author of many pages. I've also expanded several Drag Race-related entries to Good article status. Sorry to say but your perception of my work is quite incorrect. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
18:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Riverflat2021 has been blocked indefinitely by another editor for disruptive editing. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
19:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it was a bit of a give away a user of one week's tenure knowing what you've been writing about "every season" :) SN54129 19:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Riverflat2021 has been blocked indefinitely by another editor for disruptive editing. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
19:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per 4M4's forensic analysis: an absolute dearth of WP:SIGCOV. SN54129 19:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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