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The result was keep. Davewild ( talk) 07:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Lack of sources and information. Also, does not appear to be notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDevilFX ( talk • contribs)
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- Comment Lack of sources is itself not a reason to delete (see WP:NRVE ). A Google Books search in English actually comes up with a lot: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc. There are also some results for a search of his Japanese name: [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], etc. They definitely establish he was consul not only in Manila, but also to Seattle (and I think Bangkok), after being vice-consul in Shanghai. The problem is that not many offer significant information on him other than his actions or declarations as consul. I checked the Asahi Shimbun database and he is featured in a number of articles between about 1935 and 1940. WP:DIPLOMAT doesn't help much here. I think it comes down to whether the above--or any other sources--are sufficient for WP:GNG. Michitaro ( talk) 07:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. I spent some time on this article (OK, a lot of time), and I think the guy, as a diplomat, is absolutely notable. The mentions I found, the sources I added, don't discuss having tea with the local mayor--he was actively involved in policy and politics. There's a lot more material in JSTOR, by the way; I only had time to add what I found in one academic journal. There may yet be enough for a DYK, haha, but I'll need a Japanese reader to find some sources with basic biographical information. Drmies ( talk) 19:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. Lot of sources here. Nominator should have looked for them (including Japanese language sources) before nominating. They don't have much coverage, I agree, but they clearly prove that he was important diplomat, which means there are probably many off-line sources. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Davewild ( talk) 07:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Kiyoshi Uchiyama ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Lack of sources and information. Also, does not appear to be notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDevilFX ( talk • contribs)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 ( T· E· C) 00:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment Lack of sources is itself not a reason to delete (see WP:NRVE ). A Google Books search in English actually comes up with a lot: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc. There are also some results for a search of his Japanese name: [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], etc. They definitely establish he was consul not only in Manila, but also to Seattle (and I think Bangkok), after being vice-consul in Shanghai. The problem is that not many offer significant information on him other than his actions or declarations as consul. I checked the Asahi Shimbun database and he is featured in a number of articles between about 1935 and 1940. WP:DIPLOMAT doesn't help much here. I think it comes down to whether the above--or any other sources--are sufficient for WP:GNG. Michitaro ( talk) 07:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. I spent some time on this article (OK, a lot of time), and I think the guy, as a diplomat, is absolutely notable. The mentions I found, the sources I added, don't discuss having tea with the local mayor--he was actively involved in policy and politics. There's a lot more material in JSTOR, by the way; I only had time to add what I found in one academic journal. There may yet be enough for a DYK, haha, but I'll need a Japanese reader to find some sources with basic biographical information. Drmies ( talk) 19:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. Lot of sources here. Nominator should have looked for them (including Japanese language sources) before nominating. They don't have much coverage, I agree, but they clearly prove that he was important diplomat, which means there are probably many off-line sources. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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