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The result was keep. Dennis - 2¢ 21:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Kingsley Chigozie
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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete both - fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Delete both: subjects of the articles obviously fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Wikicology ( talk) 21:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - Both play as internationals in the professional Bangladesh Premier League (football). Doesn't that mean that they are notable per WP:FOOTY or doesn't the top 1 pro league in Bangladesh count? That it's not mentioned in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues doesn't mean much as it is stated on the page that "The lists are currently incomplete..." - Takeaway ( talk) 00:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep - They are playing in Bangladesh Premier League which is a fully professional league since 2009. -- Zayeem (talk) 05:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Can you support that claim with reliable sources? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 06:20, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - per sources: BBC: pro since 2006 (perhaps typo?), Daily Sun, Daily Star: "..professional football league", Sports.OnlineNigeria. - Takeaway ( talk) 10:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- All of these sources describe the league merely as professional. They do not confirm full professionalism as is required per WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I tried searching for "amateur" and "semi-pro(fessional)" together with the league name but didn't find anything mentioning these players in the league teams. There was no mention of something along the lines of "so-and-so, although one of the semi-pros, scored a magnificent goal", something which can be expected if it wasn't fully professional. - Takeaway ( talk) 22:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- That doesn't change the fact that the claim to notability remains unsourced per WP:VNT. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep- as far as I know, there's been no previous discussion of whether this league is fully professional. It certainly claims it's professional. [1] notes salaries of US$2,000 a month - which is about 15 times higher than that countries minimum wage - so one could easily subsist there on that kind of pay. [2] notes that there are transfer fees that have to be paid for an amateur player that joins the professional league. This article [3] discusses the league becoming professional in 2006 and the number of foreign players. This player auction indicates that there is some relatively significant coinage involved [ [4]]. Nfitz ( talk) 17:12, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per Takeaway and Nfitz passes WP:GNG and Player has played in the 2014 AFC President's Cup and scored the winner in a game . [5], [6] and even otherwise get coverage [7]. [8], [9] without taking into the account regional Bengali press coverage. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per Takeaway, Nfitz and Pharaoh of the Wizards - NickGibson3900 Talk 09:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment what constitutes notability for footballers and what makes them pass or fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL should be re-examined to avoid instances such as these when articles fall in that grey area. Inter&anthro ( talk) 14:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Nfitz. Sources provided certainly seem to indicate that salary levels within the league are sufficient to conclude that it is fully professional, you don't have to be earning £m in order to be in a FPL. Additional links from others to me support this as it is always essentially impossible to find a source that uses the phrase "fully professional". Fenix down ( talk) 12:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep both - Both are clearly notable fully professional footballers. IJA ( talk) 11:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Dennis - 2¢ 21:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Kingsley Chigozie
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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Emeka Darlington ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
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- Delete both - fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 18:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Delete both: subjects of the articles obviously fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Wikicology ( talk) 21:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - Both play as internationals in the professional Bangladesh Premier League (football). Doesn't that mean that they are notable per WP:FOOTY or doesn't the top 1 pro league in Bangladesh count? That it's not mentioned in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues doesn't mean much as it is stated on the page that "The lists are currently incomplete..." - Takeaway ( talk) 00:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep - They are playing in Bangladesh Premier League which is a fully professional league since 2009. -- Zayeem (talk) 05:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Can you support that claim with reliable sources? Sir Sputnik ( talk) 06:20, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - per sources: BBC: pro since 2006 (perhaps typo?), Daily Sun, Daily Star: "..professional football league", Sports.OnlineNigeria. - Takeaway ( talk) 10:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- All of these sources describe the league merely as professional. They do not confirm full professionalism as is required per WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I tried searching for "amateur" and "semi-pro(fessional)" together with the league name but didn't find anything mentioning these players in the league teams. There was no mention of something along the lines of "so-and-so, although one of the semi-pros, scored a magnificent goal", something which can be expected if it wasn't fully professional. - Takeaway ( talk) 22:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- That doesn't change the fact that the claim to notability remains unsourced per WP:VNT. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep- as far as I know, there's been no previous discussion of whether this league is fully professional. It certainly claims it's professional. [1] notes salaries of US$2,000 a month - which is about 15 times higher than that countries minimum wage - so one could easily subsist there on that kind of pay. [2] notes that there are transfer fees that have to be paid for an amateur player that joins the professional league. This article [3] discusses the league becoming professional in 2006 and the number of foreign players. This player auction indicates that there is some relatively significant coinage involved [ [4]]. Nfitz ( talk) 17:12, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per Takeaway and Nfitz passes WP:GNG and Player has played in the 2014 AFC President's Cup and scored the winner in a game . [5], [6] and even otherwise get coverage [7]. [8], [9] without taking into the account regional Bengali press coverage. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per Takeaway, Nfitz and Pharaoh of the Wizards - NickGibson3900 Talk 09:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment what constitutes notability for footballers and what makes them pass or fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL should be re-examined to avoid instances such as these when articles fall in that grey area. Inter&anthro ( talk) 14:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Nfitz. Sources provided certainly seem to indicate that salary levels within the league are sufficient to conclude that it is fully professional, you don't have to be earning £m in order to be in a FPL. Additional links from others to me support this as it is always essentially impossible to find a source that uses the phrase "fully professional". Fenix down ( talk) 12:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- Keep both - Both are clearly notable fully professional footballers. IJA ( talk) 11:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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