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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) v/r - Seawolf35 T-- C 00:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Kidnapping of Yarden Roman-Gat
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Hamas has abducted over 250 individuals. The article does not state why the individual is notable enough for a specific article about their kidnapping in particular. نعم البدل ( talk) 15:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to
Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis. News coverage on its own is routine primary coverage and does not meet
WP:GNG. If the target page becomes too long, we have the option to
WP:SIZESPLIT to
List of kidnappings in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel or something similar.
Thebiguglyalien (
talk)
16:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree this is routine news coverage, as I show below. Marokwitz ( talk) 18:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. On their own, these articles aren't notable enough, but if wholly necessary then an article which talks about the kidnappings broadly could suffice, for instance, List of kidnappings in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel or similar. نعم البدل ( talk) 19:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This specific story, comprising of the events of the abduction, campaign for release, and release of the hostage, has garnered significant attention, and is easily notable per WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. The story has been prominently and independently covered in:
- These are only examples, as this story has been covered globally. These are not passing mentions, but full features about this incident. It is also clear that the topic has enduring notability, for example it was mentioned in
The New Yorker earlier this month, providing additional evidence this is a story with enduring historical significance.
[13] (Article creator).
Marokwitz (
talk)
18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Even in the context of the war, these individuals aren't really known, nor were they notable when they were even in the spotlight. They were merely (and I don't intend to soften their event of being kidnapped) individuals kidnapped by Hamas in a war, they weren't specifically targeted. For them to have been mentioned in the news, was to essentially prove that Hamas did in fact kidnap people, not that they were notable people, and that follows here as well.
نعم البدل (
talk)
19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are misapplying the policy, as this is an article about the kidnapping, not a biography. Marokwitz ( talk) 20:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Even in the context of the war, these individuals aren't really known, nor were they notable when they were even in the spotlight. They were merely (and I don't intend to soften their event of being kidnapped) individuals kidnapped by Hamas in a war, they weren't specifically targeted. For them to have been mentioned in the news, was to essentially prove that Hamas did in fact kidnap people, not that they were notable people, and that follows here as well.
نعم البدل (
talk)
19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Contrary to the nominator's rationale, the article contains ample basis for notability of subject matter and retention as a stand-alone article. Coretheapple ( talk) 22:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a notable case, as shown above by Coretheapple and Marokwitz. We shouldn't create articles for each and every hostage taken by Hamas, but this, and the other three pages AfDed, are all notable cases that gained significant coverage on international media. Eladkarmel ( talk) 14:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Another notable kidnapping with no reason for it to be deleted. Hogo-2020 ( talk) 09:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Wish it wasn't the case but this does more than enough to satisfy WP:GNG MaskedSinger ( talk) 12:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep based on the media coverage detailed by Marokwitz. I agree with Hogo, MaskedSing and Elad that removal is unjustified based on the degree of coverage and the fact that GNG is met. FortunateSons ( talk) 15:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) v/r - Seawolf35 T-- C 00:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Kidnapping of Yarden Roman-Gat
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Hamas has abducted over 250 individuals. The article does not state why the individual is notable enough for a specific article about their kidnapping in particular. نعم البدل ( talk) 15:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to
Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis. News coverage on its own is routine primary coverage and does not meet
WP:GNG. If the target page becomes too long, we have the option to
WP:SIZESPLIT to
List of kidnappings in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel or something similar.
Thebiguglyalien (
talk)
16:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree this is routine news coverage, as I show below. Marokwitz ( talk) 18:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. On their own, these articles aren't notable enough, but if wholly necessary then an article which talks about the kidnappings broadly could suffice, for instance, List of kidnappings in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel or similar. نعم البدل ( talk) 19:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This specific story, comprising of the events of the abduction, campaign for release, and release of the hostage, has garnered significant attention, and is easily notable per WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. The story has been prominently and independently covered in:
- These are only examples, as this story has been covered globally. These are not passing mentions, but full features about this incident. It is also clear that the topic has enduring notability, for example it was mentioned in
The New Yorker earlier this month, providing additional evidence this is a story with enduring historical significance.
[13] (Article creator).
Marokwitz (
talk)
18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Even in the context of the war, these individuals aren't really known, nor were they notable when they were even in the spotlight. They were merely (and I don't intend to soften their event of being kidnapped) individuals kidnapped by Hamas in a war, they weren't specifically targeted. For them to have been mentioned in the news, was to essentially prove that Hamas did in fact kidnap people, not that they were notable people, and that follows here as well.
نعم البدل (
talk)
19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are misapplying the policy, as this is an article about the kidnapping, not a biography. Marokwitz ( talk) 20:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Even in the context of the war, these individuals aren't really known, nor were they notable when they were even in the spotlight. They were merely (and I don't intend to soften their event of being kidnapped) individuals kidnapped by Hamas in a war, they weren't specifically targeted. For them to have been mentioned in the news, was to essentially prove that Hamas did in fact kidnap people, not that they were notable people, and that follows here as well.
نعم البدل (
talk)
19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Contrary to the nominator's rationale, the article contains ample basis for notability of subject matter and retention as a stand-alone article. Coretheapple ( talk) 22:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a notable case, as shown above by Coretheapple and Marokwitz. We shouldn't create articles for each and every hostage taken by Hamas, but this, and the other three pages AfDed, are all notable cases that gained significant coverage on international media. Eladkarmel ( talk) 14:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Another notable kidnapping with no reason for it to be deleted. Hogo-2020 ( talk) 09:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Wish it wasn't the case but this does more than enough to satisfy WP:GNG MaskedSinger ( talk) 12:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep based on the media coverage detailed by Marokwitz. I agree with Hogo, MaskedSing and Elad that removal is unjustified based on the degree of coverage and the fact that GNG is met. FortunateSons ( talk) 15:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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