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The result was delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 03:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Kenneth McDaniel

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, having only played for minor league NFL Europe in 1997. The only coverage I can find is from The Virginian-Pilot and passing mentions or transactions. Eagles  24/7  (C) 17:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC) reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Eagles  24/7  (C) 17:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep He was drafted by an NFL team and the WLAF is techincally considered a pro league. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 18:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• @ KingSkyLord: The WLAF is the former name for NFL Europe, which was a minor league. WP:NGRIDIRON specifically states that minor league players are not presumed notable unless they meet another criterion. Being an NFL draft pick is not a criteria for notability inclusion anywhere. Eagles  24/7  (C) 19:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete Based on what I can find, he fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 19:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Still a delete after reviewing the coverage below. SportingFlyer T· C 03:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete No coverage found. twerk000 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete being a draft pick and playing in a minor league are not signs of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete, per Eagles 24/7, particularly his second comment. PK650 ( talk) 22:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete I'm not seeing anything that shows he meets any criteria of WP:NGRIDIRON and I don't believe the coverage is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa ( talk) 03:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep Meets GNG per [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Was drafted and played professionally. ~ EDDY ^{( talk/ contribs)}~ 02:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• These are all passing mentions, he did not play professionally outside of a minor league stint, and being drafted does not equate to automatic notability. Eagles  24/7  (C) 12:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep I don't understand and probably somebody can explain it to me, in Wikipedia there are HUNDREDS of articles that have less merit than this one to exist and are never nominated for deletion. This player, actually was part of 2 NFL practice squads and played professional football (even if you mention that it is in a minor league). So please explain why keep instead articles in Wikipedia like these ones: Jake Dombrowski, Justin Roland, Ryan Anderson (punter), Brian Stahovich, Kip Smith, etc. The Kip Smith article has even been nominated for deletion twice and it hasn't gone through, even though his record is in high school which is a playing level inferior to a "minor professional league" ? Makers267 ( talk) 19:14, 11 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• @ Makers267: We have a policy called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS which means each article must be assessed on its own merits for deletion. It may be those other players are also not notable but have not been assessed yet. I also find the inclusion of the Kip Smith article particularly egregious, as he only received coverage from papers from the two colleges where he punted, but the fact we've kept that article has absolutely no bearing on whether or not McDaniel is notable. Hope that helps. SportingFlyer T· C 08:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment I've nominated the others, besides Kip Smith (who seems to be considered notable), for deletion. However, as SportingFlyer notes, other articles' worthiness for Wikipedia do not have any effect on whether the Kenneth McDaniel article should be kept or not. Natg 19 ( talk) 18:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Natg 19: Can you clarify if you engaged in WP:BEFORE before nominating these other articles? Cbl62 ( talk) 18:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Yes, I did try to do some research on them. I was unsure about Ryan Anderson, but nominated him for deletion for a more thorough discussion. Natg 19 ( talk) 19:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

OK. I looked at the Anderson article first and thought this might be "Pick on Punters Day". Cbl62 ( talk) 19:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC) reply

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