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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 20:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No qualifying awards, just nominations. No independent reliable sourcing. No non-trivial biographical content. "Best Actress—Couples-Themed Release" is a recently created, little-noted award category with no discernible selection criteria; in fact. "Couples-Themed Release" is an arbitrary/meaningless category -- the term gets no GBooks hits, and virtually all, if not all, the Ghits relate to this or related award categories, not do any topic with independent meaning. Even if this were to get a technical, tenuous PORNBIO pass, that is outweighed by the utter failure to even remotely approach meeting the GNG. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ( talk) 13:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete She does not pass even the low notability criteria we have set for pornographic actors. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:18, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete -- coverage does not suggest notability. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - she won individual award, she meets the notability criteria of WP:PORNBIO.
Subtropical-man
talk
(en-2) 01:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)- Comment: an award confers some nature of possible notability, but actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via "significant coverage in reliable sources" as per WP:GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 09:31, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. The PORNBIO standard requires a "well-known" and "significant" award, which is a higher standard than an "individual" award. This !vote misrepresents the applicable guideline and should therefore be disregarded. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ( talk) 13:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as fails PORNBIO & GNG. – Davey2010 Talk 02:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG. Lepricavark ( talk) 02:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:PORNBIO with her XBIZ Award for Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release), which is a well-known/significant industry award that is not a scene-related/ensemble category. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eva Angelina resulted in keep due to several award wins, among them XBIZ and Best Actress. Winning a subcategory of Best Actress is just as valid under PORNBIO as winning a generic Best Actress award. It's not unusual for porn awards to have Best Actress subcategories instead of a generic Best Actress award. XBIZ having Best Actress (Feature Release), Best Actress (Parody Release), Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release), and Best Actress (All-Girl Release) subcategories is no different from AVN having Best Actress (Film) and Best Actress (Video) subcategories, NightMoves having Best Actress (Fan's Choice) and Best Actress (Editor's Choice) subcategories, or Venus having Best Actress (USA), Best Actress (Hungary), Best Actress (Scandinavia), Best Actress (France), Best Actress (Germany), and Best Actress (Europe) subcategories. The Eva Angelina AfD I cited above had participants who voted keep with her AVN Best Actress (Video) award, a subcategory/not generic, being one of the reasons why. Even if, in addition to a Best Actress subcategory, an award show had a generic Best Actress award, the recipient of the subcategory would also pass PORNBIO. Christy Mack received a Best Actress (International) Venus Award in a ceremony where a generic Best Actress award was also given, and participants in her AfD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christy Mack) voted keep with her Venus Best Actress (International) award being one of the reasons why. XBIZ's Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release) is just as valid under PORNBIO as AVN's Best Actress (Video) and Venus's Best Actress (International). Rebecca1990 ( talk) 07:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- What is the coverage that demonstrates the subject's notability? An awards confers some measure of presumed notability, but the actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, as per WP:GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 09:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing at all close for the substance of independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 22:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. All delete votes above are either claiming that Nicole fails
WP:PORNBIO, even though she undeniably passes it ("Has won a well-known and significant industry award"), or asking that the article be deleted because she fails GNG, which doesn't matter.
Consensus
has
repeatedly
supported
keeping
articles
that
fail
GNG
if
they
pass
PORNBIO.
Rebecca1990 (
talk)
15:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Consensus can change may apply. As part of AfD, each article is evaluated on its own merits, I believe. K.e.coffman ( talk) 15:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete The keep-ers seem to have neglected to read the introduction to PORNBIO, which says: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. ... meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." (bolding in original, underlining added) The article says absolutely nothing about Keira Nicole except that she's won and been nominated for awards. That's just not enough to be notable. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 18:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - While the XBIZ Awards are certainly a "well-known" adult film "industry award" ceremony, the "Best Actress—Couples-Themed Release" award appears to be a niche award category instead of a "significant" award category. The AVN Award award categories for "Best Actress, Video" & "Best Actress, Film" are apparently a relic of the days when certain adult films were release in certain theaters or just straight-to-video. In general, well-developed Wikipedia articles need to have significantly more information in them than is displayed here at this time. Guy1890 ( talk) 02:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- I am also curious why this (and related) articles prominently display Nominated entries. Are these awards like the Oscars, with a nomination being a rare honour, or are dozens of people get nominated in each category? It also seems there is an awful lot of awards and all of them are claimed to be significant. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. MBisanz talk 20:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keira Nicole ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No qualifying awards, just nominations. No independent reliable sourcing. No non-trivial biographical content. "Best Actress—Couples-Themed Release" is a recently created, little-noted award category with no discernible selection criteria; in fact. "Couples-Themed Release" is an arbitrary/meaningless category -- the term gets no GBooks hits, and virtually all, if not all, the Ghits relate to this or related award categories, not do any topic with independent meaning. Even if this were to get a technical, tenuous PORNBIO pass, that is outweighed by the utter failure to even remotely approach meeting the GNG. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ( talk) 13:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete She does not pass even the low notability criteria we have set for pornographic actors. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:18, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete -- coverage does not suggest notability. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - she won individual award, she meets the notability criteria of WP:PORNBIO.
Subtropical-man
talk
(en-2) 01:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)- Comment: an award confers some nature of possible notability, but actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via "significant coverage in reliable sources" as per WP:GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 09:31, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. The PORNBIO standard requires a "well-known" and "significant" award, which is a higher standard than an "individual" award. This !vote misrepresents the applicable guideline and should therefore be disregarded. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ( talk) 13:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as fails PORNBIO & GNG. – Davey2010 Talk 02:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG. Lepricavark ( talk) 02:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:PORNBIO with her XBIZ Award for Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release), which is a well-known/significant industry award that is not a scene-related/ensemble category. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eva Angelina resulted in keep due to several award wins, among them XBIZ and Best Actress. Winning a subcategory of Best Actress is just as valid under PORNBIO as winning a generic Best Actress award. It's not unusual for porn awards to have Best Actress subcategories instead of a generic Best Actress award. XBIZ having Best Actress (Feature Release), Best Actress (Parody Release), Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release), and Best Actress (All-Girl Release) subcategories is no different from AVN having Best Actress (Film) and Best Actress (Video) subcategories, NightMoves having Best Actress (Fan's Choice) and Best Actress (Editor's Choice) subcategories, or Venus having Best Actress (USA), Best Actress (Hungary), Best Actress (Scandinavia), Best Actress (France), Best Actress (Germany), and Best Actress (Europe) subcategories. The Eva Angelina AfD I cited above had participants who voted keep with her AVN Best Actress (Video) award, a subcategory/not generic, being one of the reasons why. Even if, in addition to a Best Actress subcategory, an award show had a generic Best Actress award, the recipient of the subcategory would also pass PORNBIO. Christy Mack received a Best Actress (International) Venus Award in a ceremony where a generic Best Actress award was also given, and participants in her AfD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christy Mack) voted keep with her Venus Best Actress (International) award being one of the reasons why. XBIZ's Best Actress (Couples-Themed Release) is just as valid under PORNBIO as AVN's Best Actress (Video) and Venus's Best Actress (International). Rebecca1990 ( talk) 07:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- What is the coverage that demonstrates the subject's notability? An awards confers some measure of presumed notability, but the actual notability still needs to be demonstrated via significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, as per WP:GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 09:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing at all close for the substance of independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 22:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. All delete votes above are either claiming that Nicole fails
WP:PORNBIO, even though she undeniably passes it ("Has won a well-known and significant industry award"), or asking that the article be deleted because she fails GNG, which doesn't matter.
Consensus
has
repeatedly
supported
keeping
articles
that
fail
GNG
if
they
pass
PORNBIO.
Rebecca1990 (
talk)
15:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Consensus can change may apply. As part of AfD, each article is evaluated on its own merits, I believe. K.e.coffman ( talk) 15:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete The keep-ers seem to have neglected to read the introduction to PORNBIO, which says: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. ... meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." (bolding in original, underlining added) The article says absolutely nothing about Keira Nicole except that she's won and been nominated for awards. That's just not enough to be notable. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 18:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - While the XBIZ Awards are certainly a "well-known" adult film "industry award" ceremony, the "Best Actress—Couples-Themed Release" award appears to be a niche award category instead of a "significant" award category. The AVN Award award categories for "Best Actress, Video" & "Best Actress, Film" are apparently a relic of the days when certain adult films were release in certain theaters or just straight-to-video. In general, well-developed Wikipedia articles need to have significantly more information in them than is displayed here at this time. Guy1890 ( talk) 02:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- I am also curious why this (and related) articles prominently display Nominated entries. Are these awards like the Oscars, with a nomination being a rare honour, or are dozens of people get nominated in each category? It also seems there is an awful lot of awards and all of them are claimed to be significant. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.