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The result was delete and redirect to Garo. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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Nagai and Garo are strongly associated. Needs documentation on independent notability. Many books mention Nagai but it is always focused on his work with Garo and hardly mention anything about his own life. Recommend redirect to Garo. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep While it might be different if those sources only mentioned him in passing, they specifically talk about how the person himself set up Garo and the lengths he had to go to. (like getting funding from Sanpei Shirato) It is the case for many notable figures that they will always be mentioned in the context of their major discovery, but as the jawiki article shows, there is much to write about Nagai himself. Looking at the sources already in the article I can already see information that is relevant in the first one: "whose sunken cheeks showed the effect of decades of bouts with tuberculosis and hard living". I think it'd really just be an issue of hunting down sources and there'd certainly be more Japanese-language ones. I also think the second point of WP:ANYBIO applies: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." Garo was very influential in the history of manga and many artists today got their start there. It would be a shame to have no information on the man behind it all, especially when unlike so many other ventures, it really was mostly a one-man show. Opencooper ( talk) 03:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - There's nothing in the Japanese Wikipedia article for Nagai other than errata, like how he ran a bar in Asakusa for half a year. His professional life centers on Garo unless his abortive foray into becoming the head of a now-extinct minor software publishing firm called Zeit is counted as WP:N. I would actually push for a Merge if this article was substantive as the Japanese one in terms of assessing Nagai's cultural impact, but this is a stub and has minimal merit as a stand-alone article. Jun Kayama 06:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Are there any usable sources from the Japanese wiki article? [1]. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment @ Knowledgekid87: I can't really tell using machine translation, but this seems like an interview. This source seems to be talking about a cameo appearance he made in something. This one seems to be saying something about his resemblance to someone and autographs. Also, according to this ANN review, there's a small museum dedicated to Nagai. ( official website). And while these are in relation to Garo, this source and this one talk about the influence his editorial role had on artists like Yoshiharu Tsuge. Opencooper ( talk) 13:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - From what I can tell, I think the best possible argument against deletion or a merge with Garo is to argue that Nagai made another, somewhat separate contribution by founding Seirindō ja:青林堂, the publisher. True, Seirindō was primarily focused on Garo at first, but it also published monographs, first of the important manga artists featured in Garo, such as Yoshiharu Tsuge, but also of film criticism, politics, etc. It got into a somewhat notorious split, which formed Seirin Kōgeisha (which has taken over publishing manga). Seirindō continues as less a manga publisher than as a publisher of some of the more notorious right wing revisionist literature, such as the now internationally notorious Toshiko Hasumi's anti-refugee book [2] [3]. Michitaro ( talk) 17:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete One article is sufficient, and the one on the magazine is very much more substantial. Redirect to it. DGG ( talk ) 09:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete and redirect to Garo. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:17, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
- Katsuichi Nagai ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Nagai and Garo are strongly associated. Needs documentation on independent notability. Many books mention Nagai but it is always focused on his work with Garo and hardly mention anything about his own life. Recommend redirect to Garo. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 01:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep While it might be different if those sources only mentioned him in passing, they specifically talk about how the person himself set up Garo and the lengths he had to go to. (like getting funding from Sanpei Shirato) It is the case for many notable figures that they will always be mentioned in the context of their major discovery, but as the jawiki article shows, there is much to write about Nagai himself. Looking at the sources already in the article I can already see information that is relevant in the first one: "whose sunken cheeks showed the effect of decades of bouts with tuberculosis and hard living". I think it'd really just be an issue of hunting down sources and there'd certainly be more Japanese-language ones. I also think the second point of WP:ANYBIO applies: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." Garo was very influential in the history of manga and many artists today got their start there. It would be a shame to have no information on the man behind it all, especially when unlike so many other ventures, it really was mostly a one-man show. Opencooper ( talk) 03:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - There's nothing in the Japanese Wikipedia article for Nagai other than errata, like how he ran a bar in Asakusa for half a year. His professional life centers on Garo unless his abortive foray into becoming the head of a now-extinct minor software publishing firm called Zeit is counted as WP:N. I would actually push for a Merge if this article was substantive as the Japanese one in terms of assessing Nagai's cultural impact, but this is a stub and has minimal merit as a stand-alone article. Jun Kayama 06:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Are there any usable sources from the Japanese wiki article? [1]. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 20:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 20:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment @ Knowledgekid87: I can't really tell using machine translation, but this seems like an interview. This source seems to be talking about a cameo appearance he made in something. This one seems to be saying something about his resemblance to someone and autographs. Also, according to this ANN review, there's a small museum dedicated to Nagai. ( official website). And while these are in relation to Garo, this source and this one talk about the influence his editorial role had on artists like Yoshiharu Tsuge. Opencooper ( talk) 13:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - From what I can tell, I think the best possible argument against deletion or a merge with Garo is to argue that Nagai made another, somewhat separate contribution by founding Seirindō ja:青林堂, the publisher. True, Seirindō was primarily focused on Garo at first, but it also published monographs, first of the important manga artists featured in Garo, such as Yoshiharu Tsuge, but also of film criticism, politics, etc. It got into a somewhat notorious split, which formed Seirin Kōgeisha (which has taken over publishing manga). Seirindō continues as less a manga publisher than as a publisher of some of the more notorious right wing revisionist literature, such as the now internationally notorious Toshiko Hasumi's anti-refugee book [2] [3]. Michitaro ( talk) 17:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete One article is sufficient, and the one on the magazine is very much more substantial. Redirect to it. DGG ( talk ) 09:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.