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The result was redirect to Miss Illinois USA. MBisanz talk 18:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Karen Groat
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Notability: no significant RS coverage can be found; sources listed in the article provide trivial coverage (10 lines in a local newspaper). I was able to locate another trivial mention: Beauty and the bat. Only claim to notability is a state-level Miss USA win which is insufficient to meet ANYBIO1. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 05:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Miss Illinois USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there as the 1980 winner. North America 1000 05:06, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete winners of Miss USA are not notable for that alone. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 17:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: The above referenced discussion is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with some advocating that (1) state-level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; and (2) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular ( talk) 04:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular ( talk) 04:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- a "Delete" would be preferred since the name is unlikely to have become a valid search term. If someone searches Wiki for it the name would come up anyway. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Miss Illinois USA, no separate notability, fails WP:GNG. MB 22:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Miss Illinois USA. MBisanz talk 18:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Karen Groat
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Notability: no significant RS coverage can be found; sources listed in the article provide trivial coverage (10 lines in a local newspaper). I was able to locate another trivial mention: Beauty and the bat. Only claim to notability is a state-level Miss USA win which is insufficient to meet ANYBIO1. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 05:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 05:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 05:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Miss Illinois USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there as the 1980 winner. North America 1000 05:06, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Delete winners of Miss USA are not notable for that alone. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 17:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: The above referenced discussion is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with some advocating that (1) state-level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; and (2) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty Pageants-related deletion discussions. PageantUpdater ( talk) 00:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular ( talk) 04:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular ( talk) 04:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 21:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- a "Delete" would be preferred since the name is unlikely to have become a valid search term. If someone searches Wiki for it the name would come up anyway. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Miss Illinois USA, no separate notability, fails WP:GNG. MB 22:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
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