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Delete, per nom. Karen Earle Lile is barely mentioned in the supposedly extensive coverage cited above, much of which seems to be completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Zacwill (
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20:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: To
Zacwill and
Onel5969: The references you used to dismiss notability, were actually not even in the article itself. They were included for this deletion page merely to support my statement that Lile was a female in male dominated industries. The articles were not intended to be about Lile specifically, but rather to show that these industries are acknowledged as being male dominated, because I made a statement that she is a prominent female in 4 industries that are primarily male dominated. But, since the major objection is notability, it is fine not to consider the point about her gender, since Lile is featured prominently in many of the newspapers, magazines, and in prime time news as listed in the article and mentioned again below in the references I have included and that be should be enough, regardless of her gender, to meet notability requirements of Wikipedia. Below are references in the actual article itself
Karen Earle Lile that were entirely focused on her work. Please see examples in the references I mention below. There are more references that are entirely about Lile and Bean, over the years, but my understanding is that it is not appropriate to include too many references in the article, when a few will do. I have seen these articles myself through library and microfilm and in some cases ordered copies from the publisher or obtained a used copy of a journal.
1. These articles were about the Classical Music Video Lile produced for which she was nominated for an
ACE Award. Included were two major newspapers on both coasts, with the subject prominently featured: Ulrich, Alan (23 July 1986). "Get Ready for Chopin on Video". Article. San Francisco Examiner..
San Francisco Examiner and Brown, Steven (24 July 1986). "Roll over, Chopin - music video takes cue from MTV". Article. The Orlando Sentinel.
Orlando Sentinel
2. She had 4 articles about her work in this magazine insert inside the Contra Costa Times: "Health and Safety Today". Contra Costa Newspapers. 26 Oct 1996. This was an entire magazine inside the newspaper devoted to an event she co-produced and with several articles inside about Lile’s work specifically. Now know as
East Bay Times
December 2018 Music Trades Magazine, opened to Industry Forefront article about Karen Earle Lile as Executive Producer of benefit album featuring Grammy Winners in the last two weeks before Fantasy Studios closed, on a marble table top. — Preceding
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09:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)reply
5. Her Classical Music video was in prime time news on
KGO-TV and Magazine, Entertainment (1 July 186).
"Entertainment Magazine". TV Magazine. KSL TV. KSL TV. Retrieved 1 Jan 2012.
KSL-TV.
6. I obtained a copy of this magazine from the publisher, and the article was about her work, prominently featured in a Global edition in the Forefront section. This is a recent article and fills three full pages in a journal that only has a few articles per issue that fill that much space. "One-of-a-Kind Recording Project Fills Fantasy Studios: Karen Lile, an independent executive producer and co-owner of Piano Finders brings together Grammy winners and top producers for one special benefit album". Music Trades Magazine. Published continuously since 1890 (The Global Issue): 40–42. December 2018..
The Music Trades (magazine)
7. There were also many articles that had photos of Lile and Bean, one of which featured their photo as the front page of the Time Out Entertainment magazine titled "New Life for Old Keys in 1990, Contra Costa Times. The Library of Congress has many of these articles on microfilm: www.loc.gov/item/sn79003824/ Signed by Signed by
User:SoundNotater 4 Jan 3:42 AM EST
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04:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Signed by
User:SoundNotater 4 Jan 11:41 PM ESTreply
Added to Article: I did some more research and added a section in article about Lile's role and major coverage as a whistle blower. See the section Community Service. Here are two references:Lile and Bean story prominently featured in Dan Rather's
48 Hours (TV program) Rather, Dan (15 October 1998). "48 Hours feature on Lile-Bean Family". TV Investigative Reporting News. CBS TV. over a period of 6 months and the investigative report aired on October 15, 1998. This began a succession of investigative reporting by television, newspaper and National magazines. The Lile-Bean Family story was included in Chapter 6 of a book published by Riverside Press called Help at Any Cost. Szalavitz, Maia (2006).
Help at Any Cost: How the Troubled-teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids. Riverhead, The University of Michigan. p. Chapter 6.
ISBN1594489106. Retrieved 5 Jan 2021.
Comment:
SoundNotater, you have voted thrice already. You can vote ONLY ONCE. What you're doing is considered
bludgeoning. ASTIG😎
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ICE T •
ICE CUBE) 08:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Superastig I am a newbie. and I didn't know that I was voting 3 times. I saw the section that said please post new comments below this line, and thought that it meant I had to repost what I had written before with my additional comments. My apologies if I did it incorrectly. I removed the repeats
SoundNotater (
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03:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)User:SoundNotater 5 Jan 2021 10:41PM ETreply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Delete, per nom. Karen Earle Lile is barely mentioned in the supposedly extensive coverage cited above, much of which seems to be completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Zacwill (
talk)
20:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: To
Zacwill and
Onel5969: The references you used to dismiss notability, were actually not even in the article itself. They were included for this deletion page merely to support my statement that Lile was a female in male dominated industries. The articles were not intended to be about Lile specifically, but rather to show that these industries are acknowledged as being male dominated, because I made a statement that she is a prominent female in 4 industries that are primarily male dominated. But, since the major objection is notability, it is fine not to consider the point about her gender, since Lile is featured prominently in many of the newspapers, magazines, and in prime time news as listed in the article and mentioned again below in the references I have included and that be should be enough, regardless of her gender, to meet notability requirements of Wikipedia. Below are references in the actual article itself
Karen Earle Lile that were entirely focused on her work. Please see examples in the references I mention below. There are more references that are entirely about Lile and Bean, over the years, but my understanding is that it is not appropriate to include too many references in the article, when a few will do. I have seen these articles myself through library and microfilm and in some cases ordered copies from the publisher or obtained a used copy of a journal.
1. These articles were about the Classical Music Video Lile produced for which she was nominated for an
ACE Award. Included were two major newspapers on both coasts, with the subject prominently featured: Ulrich, Alan (23 July 1986). "Get Ready for Chopin on Video". Article. San Francisco Examiner..
San Francisco Examiner and Brown, Steven (24 July 1986). "Roll over, Chopin - music video takes cue from MTV". Article. The Orlando Sentinel.
Orlando Sentinel
2. She had 4 articles about her work in this magazine insert inside the Contra Costa Times: "Health and Safety Today". Contra Costa Newspapers. 26 Oct 1996. This was an entire magazine inside the newspaper devoted to an event she co-produced and with several articles inside about Lile’s work specifically. Now know as
East Bay Times
December 2018 Music Trades Magazine, opened to Industry Forefront article about Karen Earle Lile as Executive Producer of benefit album featuring Grammy Winners in the last two weeks before Fantasy Studios closed, on a marble table top. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
SoundNotater (
talk •
contribs)
09:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)reply
5. Her Classical Music video was in prime time news on
KGO-TV and Magazine, Entertainment (1 July 186).
"Entertainment Magazine". TV Magazine. KSL TV. KSL TV. Retrieved 1 Jan 2012.
KSL-TV.
6. I obtained a copy of this magazine from the publisher, and the article was about her work, prominently featured in a Global edition in the Forefront section. This is a recent article and fills three full pages in a journal that only has a few articles per issue that fill that much space. "One-of-a-Kind Recording Project Fills Fantasy Studios: Karen Lile, an independent executive producer and co-owner of Piano Finders brings together Grammy winners and top producers for one special benefit album". Music Trades Magazine. Published continuously since 1890 (The Global Issue): 40–42. December 2018..
The Music Trades (magazine)
7. There were also many articles that had photos of Lile and Bean, one of which featured their photo as the front page of the Time Out Entertainment magazine titled "New Life for Old Keys in 1990, Contra Costa Times. The Library of Congress has many of these articles on microfilm: www.loc.gov/item/sn79003824/ Signed by Signed by
User:SoundNotater 4 Jan 3:42 AM EST
SoundNotater (
talk)
04:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Signed by
User:SoundNotater 4 Jan 11:41 PM ESTreply
Added to Article: I did some more research and added a section in article about Lile's role and major coverage as a whistle blower. See the section Community Service. Here are two references:Lile and Bean story prominently featured in Dan Rather's
48 Hours (TV program) Rather, Dan (15 October 1998). "48 Hours feature on Lile-Bean Family". TV Investigative Reporting News. CBS TV. over a period of 6 months and the investigative report aired on October 15, 1998. This began a succession of investigative reporting by television, newspaper and National magazines. The Lile-Bean Family story was included in Chapter 6 of a book published by Riverside Press called Help at Any Cost. Szalavitz, Maia (2006).
Help at Any Cost: How the Troubled-teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids. Riverhead, The University of Michigan. p. Chapter 6.
ISBN1594489106. Retrieved 5 Jan 2021.
Comment:
SoundNotater, you have voted thrice already. You can vote ONLY ONCE. What you're doing is considered
bludgeoning. ASTIG😎
(
ICE T •
ICE CUBE) 08:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Superastig I am a newbie. and I didn't know that I was voting 3 times. I saw the section that said please post new comments below this line, and thought that it meant I had to repost what I had written before with my additional comments. My apologies if I did it incorrectly. I removed the repeats
SoundNotater (
talk)
03:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)User:SoundNotater 5 Jan 2021 10:41PM ETreply
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