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The result was Withdrawn per WP:HEY. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 02:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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We seem to have another non-notable obscure Canadian country singer here.
- This article mentions that an astronaut was taking his music into space. The biggest coverage by far is that he was one of several musicians whose albums were taken into space by an astronaut -- which says more about the astronaut than it does about the musicians.
- His name shows up several times in the Regina Leader-Post, but nearly all of them are just directory listings of concerts, or fluff pieces like the above that have little to say other than "Kal saw his own album at Walmart". For instance, this is just a fluff piece about him performing at a local bar, larded with a bunch of name-dropping and non-notable awards (Saskatchewan Country Music Awards do not seem to be a major third-party award that would meet WP:NMUSIC #8) to make him seem more accomplished than he really is in a "local boy makes good" way. No newspaper other than the Leader-Post has given him even the faintest of mentions, and he doesn't seem to have ever performed significantly outside of SK except at one non-notable festival.
- His only album turns up absolutely zero reviews, despite having a fairly unique title which is unlikely to be conducive to false positives or difficulty in finding proper sources.
- Zero results on americanradiohistory.com, a site that archives many multi-national music publications, including Canadian ones.
- His name is so obscure that Google keeps trying to autocorrect it to "Kal Hours".
While he does meet WP:NMUSIC with one charted single, it spent only one week at the lowest position on the Canadian Country Music charts. This puts him into the same boat as, say, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waycross (band) where the utter lack of sourcing overrode the fact that a single made the charts. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 11:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 11:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep So, as well as having a charting single, he won a rising star award at the 2007 Saskatchewan Country Music Association Awards [1], and three awards at the 2010 Saskatchewan Country Music Association Awards (single of the year; album of the year; song of the year) [2]; and song of the year award in 2012 [3]. There's a review of the album in the Star-Phoenix [4] (a newspaper other than the Leader-Post) (that's what should be in the article, but it had a url for a completely different newspaper article). More coverage of his album going into space in the Star-Phoenix [5]. His song When Pink Is Just a Color Again was the Pink Ribbon International official song in 2009 [6]. I have clipped the "Kal saw his own album at Walmart" article and will add it to this article - it says a bit more than that, actually. I'll add these sources and information to the article, and anything else I find. (I don't think "autotext knows the name" is a criterion of any notability guidelines.) RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- @ RebeccaGreen: Not a single one of the awards you named is notable per WP:NMUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 14:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as enough sources have been identified above to show a pass of WP:GNG with reviews of his work as well as the charting so also passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 and as the article is being improved there is no longer a requirement for deletion, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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The result was Withdrawn per WP:HEY. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 02:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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We seem to have another non-notable obscure Canadian country singer here.
- This article mentions that an astronaut was taking his music into space. The biggest coverage by far is that he was one of several musicians whose albums were taken into space by an astronaut -- which says more about the astronaut than it does about the musicians.
- His name shows up several times in the Regina Leader-Post, but nearly all of them are just directory listings of concerts, or fluff pieces like the above that have little to say other than "Kal saw his own album at Walmart". For instance, this is just a fluff piece about him performing at a local bar, larded with a bunch of name-dropping and non-notable awards (Saskatchewan Country Music Awards do not seem to be a major third-party award that would meet WP:NMUSIC #8) to make him seem more accomplished than he really is in a "local boy makes good" way. No newspaper other than the Leader-Post has given him even the faintest of mentions, and he doesn't seem to have ever performed significantly outside of SK except at one non-notable festival.
- His only album turns up absolutely zero reviews, despite having a fairly unique title which is unlikely to be conducive to false positives or difficulty in finding proper sources.
- Zero results on americanradiohistory.com, a site that archives many multi-national music publications, including Canadian ones.
- His name is so obscure that Google keeps trying to autocorrect it to "Kal Hours".
While he does meet WP:NMUSIC with one charted single, it spent only one week at the lowest position on the Canadian Country Music charts. This puts him into the same boat as, say, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waycross (band) where the utter lack of sourcing overrode the fact that a single made the charts. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 04:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 11:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 11:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep So, as well as having a charting single, he won a rising star award at the 2007 Saskatchewan Country Music Association Awards [1], and three awards at the 2010 Saskatchewan Country Music Association Awards (single of the year; album of the year; song of the year) [2]; and song of the year award in 2012 [3]. There's a review of the album in the Star-Phoenix [4] (a newspaper other than the Leader-Post) (that's what should be in the article, but it had a url for a completely different newspaper article). More coverage of his album going into space in the Star-Phoenix [5]. His song When Pink Is Just a Color Again was the Pink Ribbon International official song in 2009 [6]. I have clipped the "Kal saw his own album at Walmart" article and will add it to this article - it says a bit more than that, actually. I'll add these sources and information to the article, and anything else I find. (I don't think "autotext knows the name" is a criterion of any notability guidelines.) RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- @ RebeccaGreen: Not a single one of the awards you named is notable per WP:NMUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 14:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as enough sources have been identified above to show a pass of WP:GNG with reviews of his work as well as the charting so also passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 and as the article is being improved there is no longer a requirement for deletion, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.