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The result was redirect to List of Andhra cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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No general coverage. ESPC cricinfo is the only source provided, and other cricketing websites also have the same statistics as this. Per the stats, he played 15 matches in his career. Bringing to AfD as a contested PROD. Jay 💬 04:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and Andhra Pradesh. Jay 💬 04:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Andhra cricketers per WP:ATD-R and WP:PRESERVE. There may be coverage in Indian sources and the article can be quickly restored from redirect if and when found. BcJvs | talk UTC 11:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Andhra cricketers Not sure my redirect was reverted here. WP:ATD is policy for situations like this, it's unlikely there's GNG coverage on the subject but he clearly played games, and there is a suitable redirect. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 15:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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WP:ATD-R is why this article is now at AfD, as an inappropriate redirect.
WP:PRESERVE suggests to do a lot of things, and
BLARing the article is not one of them. This goes against what a redirect is for, and this as a redirect is a prime candidate for deletion at
WP:RfD.
Jay
💬
03:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirecting to a suitable list has been the policy for articles like this since the WP:NSPORTS guidelines were updated, and even before that. There is nothing here to suggest that this is an inappropriate redirect. The subject existed, played games (which would have qualified him for previous notability when the article was created), and only played for that side. The list is a suitable redirect. Obviously it would be preferred if the lists had some biographical details of the players, but these can be added at a later date, and by redirecting, if sourcing is found, perhaps offline or in local language sources, the article can be restored. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- The consensus established at multiple AfD and other discussions to redirect articles such as this where possible, dates from the Chitty debacle back in 2018 - and probably existed partially before that. Given the difficulty in finding non-English language sources and sources in general from the Indian subcontinent, it seems reasonable to redirect here and hope that at some point in the future someone will have the time and energy to unearth sources about the chap. That ensures that the original attribution and sourcing is retained and the spirit of PRESERVE is followed. There certainly appears to be some passing mentions of him in The Hindu, Indian Express and Times of India and it wouldn't surprise me at all to find more references in regional news sources, quite possibly not in English. A redirect to List of Andhra cricketers makes sense here. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I do not wish to convert this to a redirect discussion, we have WP:RfD for that. Redirection rules do not give perference to WP:NSPORTS guidelines, nor to particular sports bios. If the BLAR was to a suitable list, I wouldn't have brought this to AfD. From what I see, the suggested target list has entries with articles or redlinks, and Kakani Harish, if redirected there, will be neither, and we can't have circular redirects. Jay 💬 15:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- A range of relevant arguments relating to redirection have been made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jyothi Krishna (cricketer). Rather than repeat them here, perhaps the closer may want to check those. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See relisting rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashish Sinha.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Most lists I have seen are strict per
WP:PEOPLELIST where
editors choose even more stringent requirements, such as already having an article written (not just qualifying for one)
. If the cricket lists in general, and the editors at the Andhra one, allows for non-linked entries, then I have no problem with this being a redirect there. Jay 💬 07:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Most lists I have seen are strict per
WP:PEOPLELIST where
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 17:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to List of Andhra cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Kakani Harish ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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No general coverage. ESPC cricinfo is the only source provided, and other cricketing websites also have the same statistics as this. Per the stats, he played 15 matches in his career. Bringing to AfD as a contested PROD. Jay 💬 04:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and Andhra Pradesh. Jay 💬 04:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Andhra cricketers per WP:ATD-R and WP:PRESERVE. There may be coverage in Indian sources and the article can be quickly restored from redirect if and when found. BcJvs | talk UTC 11:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Andhra cricketers Not sure my redirect was reverted here. WP:ATD is policy for situations like this, it's unlikely there's GNG coverage on the subject but he clearly played games, and there is a suitable redirect. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 15:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
-
WP:ATD-R is why this article is now at AfD, as an inappropriate redirect.
WP:PRESERVE suggests to do a lot of things, and
BLARing the article is not one of them. This goes against what a redirect is for, and this as a redirect is a prime candidate for deletion at
WP:RfD.
Jay
💬
03:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Redirecting to a suitable list has been the policy for articles like this since the WP:NSPORTS guidelines were updated, and even before that. There is nothing here to suggest that this is an inappropriate redirect. The subject existed, played games (which would have qualified him for previous notability when the article was created), and only played for that side. The list is a suitable redirect. Obviously it would be preferred if the lists had some biographical details of the players, but these can be added at a later date, and by redirecting, if sourcing is found, perhaps offline or in local language sources, the article can be restored. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- The consensus established at multiple AfD and other discussions to redirect articles such as this where possible, dates from the Chitty debacle back in 2018 - and probably existed partially before that. Given the difficulty in finding non-English language sources and sources in general from the Indian subcontinent, it seems reasonable to redirect here and hope that at some point in the future someone will have the time and energy to unearth sources about the chap. That ensures that the original attribution and sourcing is retained and the spirit of PRESERVE is followed. There certainly appears to be some passing mentions of him in The Hindu, Indian Express and Times of India and it wouldn't surprise me at all to find more references in regional news sources, quite possibly not in English. A redirect to List of Andhra cricketers makes sense here. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I do not wish to convert this to a redirect discussion, we have WP:RfD for that. Redirection rules do not give perference to WP:NSPORTS guidelines, nor to particular sports bios. If the BLAR was to a suitable list, I wouldn't have brought this to AfD. From what I see, the suggested target list has entries with articles or redlinks, and Kakani Harish, if redirected there, will be neither, and we can't have circular redirects. Jay 💬 15:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- A range of relevant arguments relating to redirection have been made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jyothi Krishna (cricketer). Rather than repeat them here, perhaps the closer may want to check those. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See relisting rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashish Sinha.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Most lists I have seen are strict per
WP:PEOPLELIST where
editors choose even more stringent requirements, such as already having an article written (not just qualifying for one)
. If the cricket lists in general, and the editors at the Andhra one, allows for non-linked entries, then I have no problem with this being a redirect there. Jay 💬 07:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Most lists I have seen are strict per
WP:PEOPLELIST where
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙♂️ Let's Talk ! 17:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.