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The result was keep. Consensus is the work done by AngusWOOF is just enough to make the article acceptable in mainspace. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Justin Briner
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To paraphrase from the declined version of the draft, this is a clear case of WP:BOMBARD with no indication of WP:GNG being met. 95% of the (massive number of) references do little more than verify that Briner voiced XYZ role, with the remainder being interviews or his own accounts. Recommending histmerging this back into the draft (because it was improperly cut/pasted) and allowing the creator another go. Primefac ( talk) 17:08, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- If the draftification/histmerge occurs, I'm also recommending re-adding the previous decline notice for the record. Primefac ( talk) 17:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment to be fair, the 95% of the references used are mainly to source the filmography section which for voice actors is always going to be a large portion, even for highly notable voice actors like Jennifer Hale or Tom Kenny (see Tom Kenny filmography). If you think it should be split off from his main article that can be arranged. I've attempted to replace the cast announcements (which are passing mentions) with reviews and critiques of his voice work, and have used that in the biography section, and also attempted to show significance of the roles presented, that they aren't just guest or minor roles but lead characters. The question also becomes whether voicing in a pile of "broadcast dubs" (dubs that are mainly streamed on a subscription network, as opposed to broadcast on cable / television) is considered notable works for WP:ENT's "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." If the anime show hits Cartoon Network/Adult Swim or Fox/4Kids, or mainstream anime films, then it's not a big deal. His most notable works are My Hero Academia (broadcast dub) which has had anime convention panels, and Cibele (video game) which was covered in secondary sourced mainstream news. I'm still looking around for the exclusive news report on Briner though. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Move to WP:DRAFTS. I agree with the concern raised that there are too many sources pointing to his own websites. If someone is willing to work on the article then it might push it to meet the required guidelines/policy. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- I've already worked what I could into the article. It's more whether he's going to meet notability despite the effort.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Changing my opinion to Keep based on recent comments here. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- I've already worked what I could into the article. It's more whether he's going to meet notability despite the effort.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Notability has been met with lead roles in All Out, The Heroic Legend of Arslan, My Hero Academia (which runs for two seasons for a total of 38 episodes), Dangan Ronpa 3, Drifters, Garo: The Animation, Grimgar: Ashes and Illusions, Handshakers, Heavy Object, Knights and Magic, Convenience Store Boy Friends, Nanbaka, Seraph of the End, Puzzle and Dragons X, Ranpo Kitan, Taboo Tattoo, Trickster, Luluco, Kiss Him, Not Me, and Classroom of the Elite. That's 20 lead roles, and one of which is especially notable. My Hero Academia is one of the most popular manga and anime lately, and I personally think one should take note of its notability. MizukaS ( talk) 20:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Per above point. HarrisonSteam ( talk) 17:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree with MizukaS and HarrisonSteam. Therainbowsend ( talk) 13:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment regardless of the outcome of this discussion, a histmerge will be necessary. Just pointing it out (again) so it's a bit more visible. Primefac ( talk) 15:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Consensus is the work done by AngusWOOF is just enough to make the article acceptable in mainspace. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Justin Briner
AfDs for this article:
- Justin Briner ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
To paraphrase from the declined version of the draft, this is a clear case of WP:BOMBARD with no indication of WP:GNG being met. 95% of the (massive number of) references do little more than verify that Briner voiced XYZ role, with the remainder being interviews or his own accounts. Recommending histmerging this back into the draft (because it was improperly cut/pasted) and allowing the creator another go. Primefac ( talk) 17:08, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- If the draftification/histmerge occurs, I'm also recommending re-adding the previous decline notice for the record. Primefac ( talk) 17:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment to be fair, the 95% of the references used are mainly to source the filmography section which for voice actors is always going to be a large portion, even for highly notable voice actors like Jennifer Hale or Tom Kenny (see Tom Kenny filmography). If you think it should be split off from his main article that can be arranged. I've attempted to replace the cast announcements (which are passing mentions) with reviews and critiques of his voice work, and have used that in the biography section, and also attempted to show significance of the roles presented, that they aren't just guest or minor roles but lead characters. The question also becomes whether voicing in a pile of "broadcast dubs" (dubs that are mainly streamed on a subscription network, as opposed to broadcast on cable / television) is considered notable works for WP:ENT's "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." If the anime show hits Cartoon Network/Adult Swim or Fox/4Kids, or mainstream anime films, then it's not a big deal. His most notable works are My Hero Academia (broadcast dub) which has had anime convention panels, and Cibele (video game) which was covered in secondary sourced mainstream news. I'm still looking around for the exclusive news report on Briner though. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Move to WP:DRAFTS. I agree with the concern raised that there are too many sources pointing to his own websites. If someone is willing to work on the article then it might push it to meet the required guidelines/policy. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- I've already worked what I could into the article. It's more whether he's going to meet notability despite the effort.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Changing my opinion to Keep based on recent comments here. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- I've already worked what I could into the article. It's more whether he's going to meet notability despite the effort.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Notability has been met with lead roles in All Out, The Heroic Legend of Arslan, My Hero Academia (which runs for two seasons for a total of 38 episodes), Dangan Ronpa 3, Drifters, Garo: The Animation, Grimgar: Ashes and Illusions, Handshakers, Heavy Object, Knights and Magic, Convenience Store Boy Friends, Nanbaka, Seraph of the End, Puzzle and Dragons X, Ranpo Kitan, Taboo Tattoo, Trickster, Luluco, Kiss Him, Not Me, and Classroom of the Elite. That's 20 lead roles, and one of which is especially notable. My Hero Academia is one of the most popular manga and anime lately, and I personally think one should take note of its notability. MizukaS ( talk) 20:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Per above point. HarrisonSteam ( talk) 17:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree with MizukaS and HarrisonSteam. Therainbowsend ( talk) 13:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment regardless of the outcome of this discussion, a histmerge will be necessary. Just pointing it out (again) so it's a bit more visible. Primefac ( talk) 15:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.