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The result was no consensus. Fenix down ( talk) 06:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Josh Daniels
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Contested PROD. Fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage, just local coverage, mainly about his family tragedy) and WP:NFOOTBALL (has only played in semi-pro Irish leagues). Can be restored if/when he makes his professional debut. Giant Snowman 09:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Draft Too weak on GNG to pass in my opinion, kinda routine, however as he is signed to a League One club I feel this would be better served in moving to draft space. Govvy ( talk) 09:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is already a pre-existing draft which pre-dates the mainspace article -
User:GiantSnowman/Josh Daniels.
Giant
Snowman
11:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- This one seems a like it has a bit more, however shouldn't you perform a speedy WP:CSD#A10 then? Govvy ( talk) 11:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is already a pre-existing draft which pre-dates the mainspace article -
User:GiantSnowman/Josh Daniels.
Giant
Snowman
11:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep the coverage cited in the article about his family tragedy is indeed local - but it's also easy to find national coverage such at this. There's also a lot of ongoing coverage of his career, allowing for an article to be written - which is not surprising with over 140 top-tier appearances in 8 seasons for a 24-year old! There's also significant coverage about his transfer to Shrewsbury inclusing significant in-depth features such at this. Nfitz ( talk) 04:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please find me some stuff which isn't a) routine transfer news and/or b) from the local paper...
Giant
Snowman
10:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Belfast Telegraph article is neither routine nor local. Not that there's anything wrong with local - and the Shropshire Star piece is significant and in-depth. I think you are splitting hairs on this one.
Nfitz (
talk)
11:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yep, the BT piece is decent. On its own - not enough IMHO. Giant Snowman 11:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Belfast Telegraph article is neither routine nor local. Not that there's anything wrong with local - and the Shropshire Star piece is significant and in-depth. I think you are splitting hairs on this one.
Nfitz (
talk)
11:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please find me some stuff which isn't a) routine transfer news and/or b) from the local paper...
Giant
Snowman
10:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough reliable sources. -- 2A00:23C5:F218:7A00:60B3:29EA:A0CE:C140 ( talk) 11:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm suspicious of this IP editor ... their only other two edits (the same day), was to call someone a whore, and falsely report someone else as dead. Can someone look into?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- @ Nfitz: The IP has only made 9 edits, and some dubious ones at that. I don't really think their vote should count. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm suspicious of this IP editor ... their only other two edits (the same day), was to call someone a whore, and falsely report someone else as dead. Can someone look into?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - not enough substantial coverage to pass GNG Spiderone 09:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Despite
User:GiantSnowman's comments above, I'm find a lot of decent coverage before their transfer to England, and I've added 3 more good references to the article. Can you look again
User:Spiderone - and what's with the vandalizing IP editor's vote above?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've checked them and they seem like fairly routine local newspaper pieces. I'm still leaning towards delete here Spiderone 11:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Despite
User:GiantSnowman's comments above, I'm find a lot of decent coverage before their transfer to England, and I've added 3 more good references to the article. Can you look again
User:Spiderone - and what's with the vandalizing IP editor's vote above?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm not really seeing GNG here either, a lot of the sources are either local or routine transfer talk, but some have been added recently, so no harm in extending for another week for further disucssion, but unless more keep votes come in, I would close as delete with the discussion in its current state.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 13:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I'm not really seeing GNG here either, a lot of the sources are either local or routine transfer talk, but some have been added recently, so no harm in extending for another week for further disucssion, but unless more keep votes come in, I would close as delete with the discussion in its current state.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 13:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment There was more in-depth coverage this week, not related to the transfer, which compared him positively to Daniel Udoh, who featured in 33 matches last season, and (tied) for number 2 on the team for goals. He also played for Shrewsbury on the 11th, scoring in a pre-season friendly against Bala Town F.C.. With this new reference (the first one in the comment), I think GNG has been met, and I'll add it tot he article. I think we should apply WP:NORUSH to this. Alternatively, the article should be moved to Draft - as surely, playing on a 3rd tier team, an article will be created for him soon. Nfitz ( talk) 05:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relist to allow discussion of recently proffered sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relist to allow discussion of recently proffered sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draft per arguments above. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep or draft - there is decent coverage of him but possibly not enough for GNG. He may well make his debut on Saturday so deletion seems unproductive. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 21:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Fenix down ( talk) 06:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Josh Daniels
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Contested PROD. Fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage, just local coverage, mainly about his family tragedy) and WP:NFOOTBALL (has only played in semi-pro Irish leagues). Can be restored if/when he makes his professional debut. Giant Snowman 09:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 09:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 09:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Draft Too weak on GNG to pass in my opinion, kinda routine, however as he is signed to a League One club I feel this would be better served in moving to draft space. Govvy ( talk) 09:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is already a pre-existing draft which pre-dates the mainspace article -
User:GiantSnowman/Josh Daniels.
Giant
Snowman
11:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- This one seems a like it has a bit more, however shouldn't you perform a speedy WP:CSD#A10 then? Govvy ( talk) 11:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is already a pre-existing draft which pre-dates the mainspace article -
User:GiantSnowman/Josh Daniels.
Giant
Snowman
11:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep the coverage cited in the article about his family tragedy is indeed local - but it's also easy to find national coverage such at this. There's also a lot of ongoing coverage of his career, allowing for an article to be written - which is not surprising with over 140 top-tier appearances in 8 seasons for a 24-year old! There's also significant coverage about his transfer to Shrewsbury inclusing significant in-depth features such at this. Nfitz ( talk) 04:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please find me some stuff which isn't a) routine transfer news and/or b) from the local paper...
Giant
Snowman
10:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Belfast Telegraph article is neither routine nor local. Not that there's anything wrong with local - and the Shropshire Star piece is significant and in-depth. I think you are splitting hairs on this one.
Nfitz (
talk)
11:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yep, the BT piece is decent. On its own - not enough IMHO. Giant Snowman 11:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Belfast Telegraph article is neither routine nor local. Not that there's anything wrong with local - and the Shropshire Star piece is significant and in-depth. I think you are splitting hairs on this one.
Nfitz (
talk)
11:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please find me some stuff which isn't a) routine transfer news and/or b) from the local paper...
Giant
Snowman
10:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough reliable sources. -- 2A00:23C5:F218:7A00:60B3:29EA:A0CE:C140 ( talk) 11:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm suspicious of this IP editor ... their only other two edits (the same day), was to call someone a whore, and falsely report someone else as dead. Can someone look into?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- @ Nfitz: The IP has only made 9 edits, and some dubious ones at that. I don't really think their vote should count. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm suspicious of this IP editor ... their only other two edits (the same day), was to call someone a whore, and falsely report someone else as dead. Can someone look into?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - not enough substantial coverage to pass GNG Spiderone 09:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Despite
User:GiantSnowman's comments above, I'm find a lot of decent coverage before their transfer to England, and I've added 3 more good references to the article. Can you look again
User:Spiderone - and what's with the vandalizing IP editor's vote above?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've checked them and they seem like fairly routine local newspaper pieces. I'm still leaning towards delete here Spiderone 11:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Despite
User:GiantSnowman's comments above, I'm find a lot of decent coverage before their transfer to England, and I've added 3 more good references to the article. Can you look again
User:Spiderone - and what's with the vandalizing IP editor's vote above?
Nfitz (
talk)
01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm not really seeing GNG here either, a lot of the sources are either local or routine transfer talk, but some have been added recently, so no harm in extending for another week for further disucssion, but unless more keep votes come in, I would close as delete with the discussion in its current state.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 13:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I'm not really seeing GNG here either, a lot of the sources are either local or routine transfer talk, but some have been added recently, so no harm in extending for another week for further disucssion, but unless more keep votes come in, I would close as delete with the discussion in its current state.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 13:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- BlameRuiner ( talk) 10:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment There was more in-depth coverage this week, not related to the transfer, which compared him positively to Daniel Udoh, who featured in 33 matches last season, and (tied) for number 2 on the team for goals. He also played for Shrewsbury on the 11th, scoring in a pre-season friendly against Bala Town F.C.. With this new reference (the first one in the comment), I think GNG has been met, and I'll add it tot he article. I think we should apply WP:NORUSH to this. Alternatively, the article should be moved to Draft - as surely, playing on a 3rd tier team, an article will be created for him soon. Nfitz ( talk) 05:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relist to allow discussion of recently proffered sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relist to allow discussion of recently proffered sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 13:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draft per arguments above. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 18:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep or draft - there is decent coverage of him but possibly not enough for GNG. He may well make his debut on Saturday so deletion seems unproductive. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 21:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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