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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Jorge F. Ramos
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Questionably notable and improvable because despite the article appearing acceptable at first time, there are still questionable and unsupported claims and my searches (News, Books, browser and Highbeam) also found nothing better than this. Pinging Ged UK, Btnikk, Blanchardb and Tpbradbury and this article from June 2009 would certainly need better improvement if kept. SwisterTwister talk 22:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I say keep the article but delete all of the unreferenced stuff tagged with "citation needed". Not So Dumb Blond ( talk) 01:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Even then he is still questionably notable, Not So Dumb Blond. SwisterTwister talk 01:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment I declined this for A7, which is a lower threshold than the GNG. I can't remember the detail, but looking at the page as it was then, it claims he won gold medals at what seemed to be a significant tournament, so I imagine it was for that. Ged UK 08:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet notability criteria for martial artists or WP:GNG If he had won a Gold medal at the the World Taekwondo Championships in 2007 and 2009 as claimed that would be different but in both those events he is not listed as a medal winner nor is there a medal winning African team. Subsequently all other uncited claims are suspect - none of which provide notability. Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Article claims he coached a world champion, not that he was one.
Mdtemp (
talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- He is the first African Master to achieve two gold medals with an African team at two consecutives Taekwondo world championships (Copenhagen 2009 and Beijing 2007). is not at all clear but even so which team. Peter Rehse ( talk) 21:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Article claims he coached a world champion, not that he was one.
Mdtemp (
talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:MANOTE. Notability is not inherited from a student. No supporting evidence to support claims of being a champion fighter. In fact, he's not listed at all at taekwondodata.com under fighters or coaches. Mdtemp ( talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Notability claims seem to be based on the success of one of his students and being inducted into a taekwondo hall of fame. However, notability is not inherited and martial arts halls of fame are not considered to show notability. My search found no sources showing that he ever competed at the highest level. Papaursa ( talk) 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Jorge F. Ramos
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Questionably notable and improvable because despite the article appearing acceptable at first time, there are still questionable and unsupported claims and my searches (News, Books, browser and Highbeam) also found nothing better than this. Pinging Ged UK, Btnikk, Blanchardb and Tpbradbury and this article from June 2009 would certainly need better improvement if kept. SwisterTwister talk 22:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- I say keep the article but delete all of the unreferenced stuff tagged with "citation needed". Not So Dumb Blond ( talk) 01:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Even then he is still questionably notable, Not So Dumb Blond. SwisterTwister talk 01:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 01:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment I declined this for A7, which is a lower threshold than the GNG. I can't remember the detail, but looking at the page as it was then, it claims he won gold medals at what seemed to be a significant tournament, so I imagine it was for that. Ged UK 08:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet notability criteria for martial artists or WP:GNG If he had won a Gold medal at the the World Taekwondo Championships in 2007 and 2009 as claimed that would be different but in both those events he is not listed as a medal winner nor is there a medal winning African team. Subsequently all other uncited claims are suspect - none of which provide notability. Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Article claims he coached a world champion, not that he was one.
Mdtemp (
talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- He is the first African Master to achieve two gold medals with an African team at two consecutives Taekwondo world championships (Copenhagen 2009 and Beijing 2007). is not at all clear but even so which team. Peter Rehse ( talk) 21:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Article claims he coached a world champion, not that he was one.
Mdtemp (
talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:MANOTE. Notability is not inherited from a student. No supporting evidence to support claims of being a champion fighter. In fact, he's not listed at all at taekwondodata.com under fighters or coaches. Mdtemp ( talk) 15:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Notability claims seem to be based on the success of one of his students and being inducted into a taekwondo hall of fame. However, notability is not inherited and martial arts halls of fame are not considered to show notability. My search found no sources showing that he ever competed at the highest level. Papaursa ( talk) 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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