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The result was delete. At first glance, this looks like NC, but none of the people arguing to keep made any convincing arguments. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Jonathan Manns
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Fails WP:BIO as none of the sources provide the substantial coverage that is required for inclusion. SmartSE ( talk) 13:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:GNG at this time. Reads like a CV. Kierzek ( talk) 14:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep This article was reviewed by two members of the community via "Articles for Creation" before being accepted. Both considered it to meet the required criteria. It is not intended to read like a CV (although was largely collated by following references and biographical information available online). Manns is very influential amongst urban planners in Europe however, as a practitioner rather than an academic the references may not appear substantial. There are nonetheless multiple independent sources which, combined, demonstrate notability and impact. All sources are reliable and independent (The Planner, for example, is published by the Royal Town Planning Institute). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori1986 ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
*KeepApologies if incorrect (still learning the ropes!). The Proposed Deletion page states "To object to and therefore permanently prevent a proposed deletion, remove the -proposed deletion/dated- tag from the article. You are encouraged, but not required, to also. . . ." I deleted the tag as I wanted to make sure that I registered my objection correctly in order to take part in the discussion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori1986 ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 December 2015- I've struck your second !vote as you can only state that once. Please note that this is an articles for deletion discussion rather than a proposed deletion so the template should remain on the page. SmartSE ( talk) 15:33, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep Found this page useful. Certainly notable in contemporary urban planning circles and influential (worldcat shows in libraries globally). In press last week as an individual 'deeply involved in the search for solutions to London's housing needs' and a 'driving force'. Various speaking commitments and accolades online in different countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.17.161 ( talk) 14:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC) — [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Delete and draft and userfy later if needed as simply looking at the article at its current state shows it's not easy to pinpoint its exactly notability, simply several links tossed and there could certainly be a better article than that. SwisterTwister talk 08:14, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to show they are notable. Some mentions on News, nothing on Newspapers, Scholar produced a max citation of 5, a single mention on Highbeam. Onel5969 TT me 19:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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- At best, only weak keep -- As I read this article, he seems to be the senior planner for a (probably) large firm of commercial chartered surveyors (estate agents), who published something on the London Green Belt. I would anticipate that he makes his living by representing developers at planning enquiries and the like. He certainly seems to have high profile clients, but I am dubious whether he is truely notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- Weak Keep He seems to be very influential in his works. He also has quite a lot of sources mentioning him, allowing him to barely pass the notability guidelines. FiendYT 16:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. At first glance, this looks like NC, but none of the people arguing to keep made any convincing arguments. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Jonathan Manns
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Fails WP:BIO as none of the sources provide the substantial coverage that is required for inclusion. SmartSE ( talk) 13:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:GNG at this time. Reads like a CV. Kierzek ( talk) 14:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep This article was reviewed by two members of the community via "Articles for Creation" before being accepted. Both considered it to meet the required criteria. It is not intended to read like a CV (although was largely collated by following references and biographical information available online). Manns is very influential amongst urban planners in Europe however, as a practitioner rather than an academic the references may not appear substantial. There are nonetheless multiple independent sources which, combined, demonstrate notability and impact. All sources are reliable and independent (The Planner, for example, is published by the Royal Town Planning Institute). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori1986 ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
*KeepApologies if incorrect (still learning the ropes!). The Proposed Deletion page states "To object to and therefore permanently prevent a proposed deletion, remove the -proposed deletion/dated- tag from the article. You are encouraged, but not required, to also. . . ." I deleted the tag as I wanted to make sure that I registered my objection correctly in order to take part in the discussion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lori1986 ( talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 December 2015- I've struck your second !vote as you can only state that once. Please note that this is an articles for deletion discussion rather than a proposed deletion so the template should remain on the page. SmartSE ( talk) 15:33, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep Found this page useful. Certainly notable in contemporary urban planning circles and influential (worldcat shows in libraries globally). In press last week as an individual 'deeply involved in the search for solutions to London's housing needs' and a 'driving force'. Various speaking commitments and accolades online in different countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.17.161 ( talk) 14:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC) — [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Delete and draft and userfy later if needed as simply looking at the article at its current state shows it's not easy to pinpoint its exactly notability, simply several links tossed and there could certainly be a better article than that. SwisterTwister talk 08:14, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to show they are notable. Some mentions on News, nothing on Newspapers, Scholar produced a max citation of 5, a single mention on Highbeam. Onel5969 TT me 19:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 20:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 20:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
- At best, only weak keep -- As I read this article, he seems to be the senior planner for a (probably) large firm of commercial chartered surveyors (estate agents), who published something on the London Green Belt. I would anticipate that he makes his living by representing developers at planning enquiries and the like. He certainly seems to have high profile clients, but I am dubious whether he is truely notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- Weak Keep He seems to be very influential in his works. He also has quite a lot of sources mentioning him, allowing him to barely pass the notability guidelines. FiendYT 16:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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