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The result was redirect to The Philosopher Kings. Vanamonde ( Talk) 01:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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Notability is not inherited, cannot find any evidence of Levine receiving significant coverage in reliable sources. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 14:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. Joh Levine is not notable enough for its own Wikipedia article. Not much reliable sources as well. HelpingWorld ( talk) 03:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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plicit
23:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete- There are quite a few references here, which appear substantial *however* they aren't primarily focussed n Levine - they are about other things, and he is just mentioned. I don't know if there is actually one reference that actually discussed his notability. Fails WP:GNG Deathlibrarian ( talk) 05:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep He meets WP:AUTHOR criteria. - GorgonaJS ( talk) 21:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep, as above. In addition, he satisfies the awards criteria at WP:ANYBIO. He was the producer and writer for a band that was nominated for five Junos; they won one. He's also the producer and co-songwriter for Alessia Cara, who won the Juno for songwriter of the year last year. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- People do not pass ANYBIO by virtue of working with people, or in bands, that won awards — Levine himself has to be the nominee before an award might potentially pass ANYBIO. Just happening to be in a band that was nominated as a band, or working with somebody else who got nominated for stuff where Levine himself was not personally named as a co-nominee, does not secure passage of ANYBIO at all. Only awards where Levine was personally the nominee, in his own right and not just by indirect association, do that.
Bearcat (
talk)
17:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have crossed wires with the artist "major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". In this case I suppose it is a partial merge (a lot of this article is that big list, not useful)...? --
asilvering (
talk)
20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- So this is a change to delete or delete/redirect?
—valereee (
talk)
16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, redirect makes the most sense I think. Probably worth merging a little bit of the content in first but most of it is that list. -- asilvering ( talk) 21:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- So this is a change to delete or delete/redirect?
—valereee (
talk)
16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have crossed wires with the artist "major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". In this case I suppose it is a partial merge (a lot of this article is that big list, not useful)...? --
asilvering (
talk)
20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- People do not pass ANYBIO by virtue of working with people, or in bands, that won awards — Levine himself has to be the nominee before an award might potentially pass ANYBIO. Just happening to be in a band that was nominated as a band, or working with somebody else who got nominated for stuff where Levine himself was not personally named as a co-nominee, does not secure passage of ANYBIO at all. Only awards where Levine was personally the nominee, in his own right and not just by indirect association, do that.
Bearcat (
talk)
17:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
*Keep - The case presented by
asilvering - co-writing and writing songs for Juno winners is surely enough to pass
WP:ANYBIO.
Missvain (
talk)
16:59, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Missvain, awards were won by people this guy worked with on other stuff, not for the stuff he worked with them on. He does not have a writing credit for a Juno. —valereee ( talk) 16:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Daniel (
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01:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. User:Asilvering User:Missvain Levine does not pass WP:ANYBIO, this requires the award to be received by the individual which doesn't appear to be the case. Refer WP:BANDMEMBER - members of notable ensembles are not inherently notable themselves, individual notability needs to be demonstrated. I'm happy to support a redirect to The Philosopher Kings. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 01:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Philosopher Kings. Everything in this article is about other people. I'm sure the guy is good at his job, but none of these sources seem to be saying he was co-writer on a Juno-winning song, just that he worked with people who have won the award? That's textbook not-inherited notability. —valereee ( talk) 16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I caved on this one and retracted my keep. I agree - it's not inherited and re comments about the Juno awards. Missvain ( talk) 16:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to The Philosopher Kings. Vanamonde ( Talk) 01:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Jon Levine ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Notability is not inherited, cannot find any evidence of Levine receiving significant coverage in reliable sources. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 14:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 14:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Joh Levine is not notable enough for its own Wikipedia article. Not much reliable sources as well. HelpingWorld ( talk) 03:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit
23:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete- There are quite a few references here, which appear substantial *however* they aren't primarily focussed n Levine - they are about other things, and he is just mentioned. I don't know if there is actually one reference that actually discussed his notability. Fails WP:GNG Deathlibrarian ( talk) 05:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep He meets WP:AUTHOR criteria. - GorgonaJS ( talk) 21:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep, as above. In addition, he satisfies the awards criteria at WP:ANYBIO. He was the producer and writer for a band that was nominated for five Junos; they won one. He's also the producer and co-songwriter for Alessia Cara, who won the Juno for songwriter of the year last year. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- People do not pass ANYBIO by virtue of working with people, or in bands, that won awards — Levine himself has to be the nominee before an award might potentially pass ANYBIO. Just happening to be in a band that was nominated as a band, or working with somebody else who got nominated for stuff where Levine himself was not personally named as a co-nominee, does not secure passage of ANYBIO at all. Only awards where Levine was personally the nominee, in his own right and not just by indirect association, do that.
Bearcat (
talk)
17:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have crossed wires with the artist "major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". In this case I suppose it is a partial merge (a lot of this article is that big list, not useful)...? --
asilvering (
talk)
20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- So this is a change to delete or delete/redirect?
—valereee (
talk)
16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, redirect makes the most sense I think. Probably worth merging a little bit of the content in first but most of it is that list. -- asilvering ( talk) 21:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- So this is a change to delete or delete/redirect?
—valereee (
talk)
16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have crossed wires with the artist "major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". In this case I suppose it is a partial merge (a lot of this article is that big list, not useful)...? --
asilvering (
talk)
20:17, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- People do not pass ANYBIO by virtue of working with people, or in bands, that won awards — Levine himself has to be the nominee before an award might potentially pass ANYBIO. Just happening to be in a band that was nominated as a band, or working with somebody else who got nominated for stuff where Levine himself was not personally named as a co-nominee, does not secure passage of ANYBIO at all. Only awards where Levine was personally the nominee, in his own right and not just by indirect association, do that.
Bearcat (
talk)
17:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
*Keep - The case presented by
asilvering - co-writing and writing songs for Juno winners is surely enough to pass
WP:ANYBIO.
Missvain (
talk)
16:59, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Missvain, awards were won by people this guy worked with on other stuff, not for the stuff he worked with them on. He does not have a writing credit for a Juno. —valereee ( talk) 16:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Daniel (
talk)
01:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. User:Asilvering User:Missvain Levine does not pass WP:ANYBIO, this requires the award to be received by the individual which doesn't appear to be the case. Refer WP:BANDMEMBER - members of notable ensembles are not inherently notable themselves, individual notability needs to be demonstrated. I'm happy to support a redirect to The Philosopher Kings. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 01:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Philosopher Kings. Everything in this article is about other people. I'm sure the guy is good at his job, but none of these sources seem to be saying he was co-writer on a Juno-winning song, just that he worked with people who have won the award? That's textbook not-inherited notability. —valereee ( talk) 16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I caved on this one and retracted my keep. I agree - it's not inherited and re comments about the Juno awards. Missvain ( talk) 16:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.