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The result was redirect to Point Break. If somebody wants to mine the history for mergible material, they can do that. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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Not notable enough for an article and reads like a fan page on wikia.
This character was an original creation for the 1991 film so not spanning multiple media, and the character was completely remade with a different backstory for the 2015 remake, so there's not even consistent characterization between the two, just the name and the role of protagonist in the film called Point Break.
The article is not written to a Wikipedia standard and half of it is just the plot of the 1991 film. The rest of the content, while cited, are just as much about the pop culture legacy of the 1991 film (or Reeves himself) than they are about the character and all of this content could just as easily be expected to be found on those two pages. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Merge to first film. Cultural references to character are really to film. Hyperbolick ( talk) 14:11, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Point Break per reasons stated in the nomination and by Hyperbolick. Its a valid search term, and merging can be performed in necessary.
Rorshacma (
talk)
16:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, funny enough
Johnny Utah does already redirect to the film, and has since 2009, which the page creator maybe didn't notice but also didn't ask for a deletion of that name space for this article. Given the much more likely search term without the (character) disambiguation, I don't think this search would be as frequent.
JesseRafe (
talk)
16:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- That's a good point on this being the less likely search term, but since WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP, and, as I mentioned, preserving the history would allow any potential mergers that people find appropriate, I don't see the harm of leaving this one as a redirect as well. I won't be overly torn up if the consensus decides on Deletion, though. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, funny enough
Johnny Utah does already redirect to the film, and has since 2009, which the page creator maybe didn't notice but also didn't ask for a deletion of that name space for this article. Given the much more likely search term without the (character) disambiguation, I don't think this search would be as frequent.
JesseRafe (
talk)
16:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Point Break per the above. Aoba47 ( talk) 19:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Move back to Draft (maybe even move on top of Johhy Utah, and then move to Draftspace--(character) is an unnecessary disambiguation at this point. I'm curious as to why the redirect wasn't just converted...) Anyway, on top of the move, the aformentioned redirect would be good in the meantime with the Rcat with possibilities used to point to the Draft. This article is actually less than a month old, so I'm inclined to give time for proper adjustments in the draftspace, if they can be made... Although that was already done once
here. Is there a way to lock it from Moves until a review is done?
@ JesseRafe: Thank you SO much for actually taking time to put a coherent argument when proposing this as opposed to just throwing out "not notable" with no additional explanation. It helps others to have context and places less unnecessary burden on reviewers. THANK YOU! - 2pou ( talk) 19:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC) - Merge/Redirect per Hyperbolick. No need to draftify. It's unlikely that WP:SIGCOV can be achieved at a stand alone article for this character. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Point Break. If somebody wants to mine the history for mergible material, they can do that. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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Not notable enough for an article and reads like a fan page on wikia.
This character was an original creation for the 1991 film so not spanning multiple media, and the character was completely remade with a different backstory for the 2015 remake, so there's not even consistent characterization between the two, just the name and the role of protagonist in the film called Point Break.
The article is not written to a Wikipedia standard and half of it is just the plot of the 1991 film. The rest of the content, while cited, are just as much about the pop culture legacy of the 1991 film (or Reeves himself) than they are about the character and all of this content could just as easily be expected to be found on those two pages. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to first film. Cultural references to character are really to film. Hyperbolick ( talk) 14:11, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Point Break per reasons stated in the nomination and by Hyperbolick. Its a valid search term, and merging can be performed in necessary.
Rorshacma (
talk)
16:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, funny enough
Johnny Utah does already redirect to the film, and has since 2009, which the page creator maybe didn't notice but also didn't ask for a deletion of that name space for this article. Given the much more likely search term without the (character) disambiguation, I don't think this search would be as frequent.
JesseRafe (
talk)
16:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- That's a good point on this being the less likely search term, but since WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP, and, as I mentioned, preserving the history would allow any potential mergers that people find appropriate, I don't see the harm of leaving this one as a redirect as well. I won't be overly torn up if the consensus decides on Deletion, though. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment, funny enough
Johnny Utah does already redirect to the film, and has since 2009, which the page creator maybe didn't notice but also didn't ask for a deletion of that name space for this article. Given the much more likely search term without the (character) disambiguation, I don't think this search would be as frequent.
JesseRafe (
talk)
16:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Point Break per the above. Aoba47 ( talk) 19:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Move back to Draft (maybe even move on top of Johhy Utah, and then move to Draftspace--(character) is an unnecessary disambiguation at this point. I'm curious as to why the redirect wasn't just converted...) Anyway, on top of the move, the aformentioned redirect would be good in the meantime with the Rcat with possibilities used to point to the Draft. This article is actually less than a month old, so I'm inclined to give time for proper adjustments in the draftspace, if they can be made... Although that was already done once
here. Is there a way to lock it from Moves until a review is done?
@ JesseRafe: Thank you SO much for actually taking time to put a coherent argument when proposing this as opposed to just throwing out "not notable" with no additional explanation. It helps others to have context and places less unnecessary burden on reviewers. THANK YOU! - 2pou ( talk) 19:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC) - Merge/Redirect per Hyperbolick. No need to draftify. It's unlikely that WP:SIGCOV can be achieved at a stand alone article for this character. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.