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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 09:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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page was previously deleted for being non-notable, contributor to religious newspaper BotulaClark ( talk) 12:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete and restore the redirect to the cartoon character - he did receive a little bit of coverage, but it was as a spokesperson for a political movement, which I don't think counts. SportingFlyer T· C 01:42, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just updating my comments based on the way the discussion is going, the only good article I see is the "nuance of a grenade" article, the rest just cover him as basically a spokesperson and are about other things. The tweet removal article may be an exception, but that's a very marginal/routine article. I still don't see a clear WP:GNG pass. SportingFlyer T· C 13:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Respectfully clarifying - two of the articles in The Phoenix are actual profiles, specifically about this person. And The Phoenix is a serious source, Ireland’s answer to Private Eye, but more serious, read by most decision-makers and often with surprising input channels. A profile there speaks to notability in Ireland. I think this plus the number of mentions in the Irish and London Times = material cover.
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- While those profiles are paywalled, if we assume the best and they're both okay, notability's still marginal; if we assume the worst and they're not, notability hasn't been satisfied. We can disagree respectfully, but I don't think mentions count towards notability.
SportingFlyer
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C 14:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Let's see if someone can share highlights, or summarise - perhaps this would partly answer the "relisting question". Additionally the fact that The Phoenix profiled one person twice, many years apart, also says something - one profile can still be followed by a "fading from view" but a second means some lasting presence has been achieved. When it comes to the newspapers, McGuirk is not just mentioned in passing, he is a player in some of the major national debates of recent years, and spokesperson for, for example, a campaign on a constitutional matter, is serious. Likewise, the site and other media he edits, even if some (myself included) are not sure about their long-term significance, are taking on a real role. Now, aside from The Phoenix profile point, I've probably said enough for this debate (in which I did not expect to be involved at all). SeoR ( talk) 14:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- While those profiles are paywalled, if we assume the best and they're both okay, notability's still marginal; if we assume the worst and they're not, notability hasn't been satisfied. We can disagree respectfully, but I don't think mentions count towards notability.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 14:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Respectfully clarifying - two of the articles in The Phoenix are actual profiles, specifically about this person. And The Phoenix is a serious source, Ireland’s answer to Private Eye, but more serious, read by most decision-makers and often with surprising input channels. A profile there speaks to notability in Ireland. I think this plus the number of mentions in the Irish and London Times = material cover.
SeoR (
talk)
- Comment - just to note, the previously deleted article was deleted 15 years ago. McGuirk has been involved in a lot of campaigns since. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 02:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete - re-reading the article, it amounts to unsuccessful election candidate and spokesperson for several political campaigns. Notability is borderline. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:20, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - whatever the views, and the failure to achieve office to date, the subject has achieved some position in the national debate, and so some modest notability. I will try to do something to improve and better reference the article. On further reading, I'd say the subject has become one of the more prominent voices for material parts of the right-wing, religious-conservative aspect of Ireland, which while minority is not insubstantial - and this is covered by serious Irish media, so I believe GNG is met. SeoR ( talk) 21:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we have some source analysis please?
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Relisting comment: Can we have some source analysis please?
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- Keep, passes WP:GNG, per the many articles in The Times, 1, 2, 3, and The Irish Times, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. SailingInABathTub ( talk) 13:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: doing a quick search, there's a lot of articles about this person (directly and indirectly) from independent sources. Passes WP:GNG. - 𓋹 𝓩𝓲𝓪𝓭 𝓡𝓪𝓼𝓱𝓪𝓭 𓋹 [user | talk] 12:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Current coverages passes WP:GNG. Setreis ( talk) 16:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 09:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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page was previously deleted for being non-notable, contributor to religious newspaper BotulaClark ( talk) 12:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete and restore the redirect to the cartoon character - he did receive a little bit of coverage, but it was as a spokesperson for a political movement, which I don't think counts. SportingFlyer T· C 01:42, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just updating my comments based on the way the discussion is going, the only good article I see is the "nuance of a grenade" article, the rest just cover him as basically a spokesperson and are about other things. The tweet removal article may be an exception, but that's a very marginal/routine article. I still don't see a clear WP:GNG pass. SportingFlyer T· C 13:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Respectfully clarifying - two of the articles in The Phoenix are actual profiles, specifically about this person. And The Phoenix is a serious source, Ireland’s answer to Private Eye, but more serious, read by most decision-makers and often with surprising input channels. A profile there speaks to notability in Ireland. I think this plus the number of mentions in the Irish and London Times = material cover.
SeoR (
talk)
- While those profiles are paywalled, if we assume the best and they're both okay, notability's still marginal; if we assume the worst and they're not, notability hasn't been satisfied. We can disagree respectfully, but I don't think mentions count towards notability.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 14:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Let's see if someone can share highlights, or summarise - perhaps this would partly answer the "relisting question". Additionally the fact that The Phoenix profiled one person twice, many years apart, also says something - one profile can still be followed by a "fading from view" but a second means some lasting presence has been achieved. When it comes to the newspapers, McGuirk is not just mentioned in passing, he is a player in some of the major national debates of recent years, and spokesperson for, for example, a campaign on a constitutional matter, is serious. Likewise, the site and other media he edits, even if some (myself included) are not sure about their long-term significance, are taking on a real role. Now, aside from The Phoenix profile point, I've probably said enough for this debate (in which I did not expect to be involved at all). SeoR ( talk) 14:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- While those profiles are paywalled, if we assume the best and they're both okay, notability's still marginal; if we assume the worst and they're not, notability hasn't been satisfied. We can disagree respectfully, but I don't think mentions count towards notability.
SportingFlyer
T·
C 14:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Respectfully clarifying - two of the articles in The Phoenix are actual profiles, specifically about this person. And The Phoenix is a serious source, Ireland’s answer to Private Eye, but more serious, read by most decision-makers and often with surprising input channels. A profile there speaks to notability in Ireland. I think this plus the number of mentions in the Irish and London Times = material cover.
SeoR (
talk)
- Comment - just to note, the previously deleted article was deleted 15 years ago. McGuirk has been involved in a lot of campaigns since. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 02:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete - re-reading the article, it amounts to unsuccessful election candidate and spokesperson for several political campaigns. Notability is borderline. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:20, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - whatever the views, and the failure to achieve office to date, the subject has achieved some position in the national debate, and so some modest notability. I will try to do something to improve and better reference the article. On further reading, I'd say the subject has become one of the more prominent voices for material parts of the right-wing, religious-conservative aspect of Ireland, which while minority is not insubstantial - and this is covered by serious Irish media, so I believe GNG is met. SeoR ( talk) 21:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we have some source analysis please?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Can we have some source analysis please?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, passes WP:GNG, per the many articles in The Times, 1, 2, 3, and The Irish Times, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. SailingInABathTub ( talk) 13:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: doing a quick search, there's a lot of articles about this person (directly and indirectly) from independent sources. Passes WP:GNG. - 𓋹 𝓩𝓲𝓪𝓭 𝓡𝓪𝓼𝓱𝓪𝓭 𓋹 [user | talk] 12:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Current coverages passes WP:GNG. Setreis ( talk) 16:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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