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The result was keep. Demonstrated to fail NPOL but pass GNG. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 02:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NPOL - mayorship of small town and county judgeship aren't high enough offices to ding the auto-notability criteria. I wasn't able to find sufficient sourcing (indeed any at all save what's in the article) to indicate a GNG/ANYBIO pass. Being the first of something only confers notability when sourcing reflects the importance of that achievement, which isn't borne out by the sourcing available here. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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Comment I wasn't able to find relevant sources. Thanks
Jamalahmadpk (
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Extraordinary Writ (
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- Delete He was a very low level judge for less than a year. He later was mayor of a small place. Not even remotely closing to passing any politician notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Undoubtedly, there will be a first X of Y for every Y, but this is indeed too low-level to be of importance on that score. BD2412 T 17:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the nom that these aren't positions that confer inherent notability under WP:NPOL, but a bit of digging finds enough sources for a WP:BASIC pass, in my view. Thanks to Newspapers.com, we have a front-page article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram ( pt. 1; pt. 2) discussing his appointment in detail, national and international press coverage from various wire services [1] [2] [3], information about his ouster by the voters ( [4]), and other briefer mentions. I wouldn't call this an open-and-shut case, but on balance I think the sourcing is satisfactory, particularly given WP:BASIC's advice that "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" as well as the fact that there's likely pre-Internet-era coverage only available offline. (In particular, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't coverage in the Dallas Morning News, which would be the single most relevant paper for this area: I don't seem to have access to their archives, but per WP:NEXIST we ought to at least consider the possibility that there are sources that can't easily be found online.) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep I found writing about him in google books and on google scholar and added it in. He's also mentioned in Time magazine. I think he's notable based on this, in addition to what was already in the article. CT55555 ( talk) 03:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment can this be added to any LGBTQ+ lists for deletion sorting, it seems like his sexuality is the key thing that makes him notable? CT55555 ( talk) 03:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep I was about to dig through all the newspaper archives I have access to when I realized that Extraordinary Writ had already done so. I won't list them again, but there are plenty of sources to show notability, the article simply needs some expanding to reflect that. Toadspike ( talk) 04:29, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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- 'Keep per above Rlink2 ( talk) 20:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Appears to easily pass the general notability bar with the newspaper sources listed above. Bsoyka ( talk) 22:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- 'Keep Passes WP:GNG. Blakesmith11 ( talk) 10:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Extraordinary Writ and CT55555. Passes WP:GNG with the additional sources cited. Sal2100 ( talk) 17:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Demonstrated to fail NPOL but pass GNG. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 02:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NPOL - mayorship of small town and county judgeship aren't high enough offices to ding the auto-notability criteria. I wasn't able to find sufficient sourcing (indeed any at all save what's in the article) to indicate a GNG/ANYBIO pass. Being the first of something only confers notability when sourcing reflects the importance of that achievement, which isn't borne out by the sourcing available here. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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Comment I wasn't able to find relevant sources. Thanks
Jamalahmadpk (
talk) 12:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:SOCKSTRIKE –
Extraordinary Writ (
talk)
18:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete He was a very low level judge for less than a year. He later was mayor of a small place. Not even remotely closing to passing any politician notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Undoubtedly, there will be a first X of Y for every Y, but this is indeed too low-level to be of importance on that score. BD2412 T 17:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the nom that these aren't positions that confer inherent notability under WP:NPOL, but a bit of digging finds enough sources for a WP:BASIC pass, in my view. Thanks to Newspapers.com, we have a front-page article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram ( pt. 1; pt. 2) discussing his appointment in detail, national and international press coverage from various wire services [1] [2] [3], information about his ouster by the voters ( [4]), and other briefer mentions. I wouldn't call this an open-and-shut case, but on balance I think the sourcing is satisfactory, particularly given WP:BASIC's advice that "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" as well as the fact that there's likely pre-Internet-era coverage only available offline. (In particular, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't coverage in the Dallas Morning News, which would be the single most relevant paper for this area: I don't seem to have access to their archives, but per WP:NEXIST we ought to at least consider the possibility that there are sources that can't easily be found online.) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep I found writing about him in google books and on google scholar and added it in. He's also mentioned in Time magazine. I think he's notable based on this, in addition to what was already in the article. CT55555 ( talk) 03:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment can this be added to any LGBTQ+ lists for deletion sorting, it seems like his sexuality is the key thing that makes him notable? CT55555 ( talk) 03:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep I was about to dig through all the newspaper archives I have access to when I realized that Extraordinary Writ had already done so. I won't list them again, but there are plenty of sources to show notability, the article simply needs some expanding to reflect that. Toadspike ( talk) 04:29, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 04:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- 'Keep per above Rlink2 ( talk) 20:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Appears to easily pass the general notability bar with the newspaper sources listed above. Bsoyka ( talk) 22:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- 'Keep Passes WP:GNG. Blakesmith11 ( talk) 10:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Extraordinary Writ and CT55555. Passes WP:GNG with the additional sources cited. Sal2100 ( talk) 17:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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