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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 05:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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Long has neveractually played a professional game. He has bounced from practice squad to practice s1quad, but being on a practice squad is not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:20, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep
Pro Football Reference reports that he played for three games with the Dallas Cowboys in 2013, which passes #1 of
WP:NGRIDIRON.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
03:16, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Which goes to show this is an absurdly low rule. This guy clearly has not had significant coverage, so we should just delete the article.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Then you should take up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) rather than nominating articles for AFD. What you are doing is a violation of the behavior guideline Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point which states "If consensus strongly disagrees with you even after you have made proper efforts, then respect the consensus, rather than trying to sway it with disruptive tactics." Consensus is abundantly clear on this issue. The behavior guideline also states "Such behavior, wherever it occurs, is highly disruptive and can lead to a block or ban." Please withdrawal the nomination and cease this disruptive approach. If you want to change WP:NGRIDIRON then you should discuss it there, not by continuing to nominate articles for AFD in the hopes that others come to your point of view.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- By the way, I might end up agreeing with the point that #1 for
WP:NGRIDIRON should be amended/adjusted/deleted/or something... but this is not the way to get that done.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
05:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- @
Paulmcdonald: FWIW, the start of
WP:NSPORTS does say:
conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept.
— Bagumba ( talk) 15:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- @
Paulmcdonald: FWIW, the start of
WP:NSPORTS does say:
- Which goes to show this is an absurdly low rule. This guy clearly has not had significant coverage, so we should just delete the article.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment @ Johnpacklambert: The AfD should either be withdrawn or a new rationale given. The nomination is incorrect in stating that he "never actually played a professional game."— Bagumba ( talk) 15:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- I still say delete. He does not meet high level coverage, and just playing a few games should not always lead to an article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as a straight-up WP:NGRIDIRON pass. Sources linked to in the article confirm that Long played in the NFL. Yet another bad/ POINTY/no WP:BEFORE sports-related AfD nomination from this particular user. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 00:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Contrary to the nom, reliable sources show that he did play professional games, and so passes WP:NGRIDIRON. Rlendog ( talk) 15:04, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Obviously passes WP:NGRIDIRON. Ridiculous, WP:POINT-y nomination from a user with a lengthy history of such behavior. Smartyllama ( talk) 15:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:GRIDIRON. With the slightest grain of fairness to the nominator, the article did not clearly demonstrate this when it was nominated and now does thanks to work done by PaulMcDonald. The research is easily done, so there's no excuse for the nomination – but there's been a couple times where I've missed a SNG being passed at AfC because it wasn't obvious from either the article, the references in the article, or from a quick search. SportingFlyer T· C 19:28, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 05:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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Long has neveractually played a professional game. He has bounced from practice squad to practice s1quad, but being on a practice squad is not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:20, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep
Pro Football Reference reports that he played for three games with the Dallas Cowboys in 2013, which passes #1 of
WP:NGRIDIRON.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
03:16, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Which goes to show this is an absurdly low rule. This guy clearly has not had significant coverage, so we should just delete the article.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Then you should take up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) rather than nominating articles for AFD. What you are doing is a violation of the behavior guideline Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point which states "If consensus strongly disagrees with you even after you have made proper efforts, then respect the consensus, rather than trying to sway it with disruptive tactics." Consensus is abundantly clear on this issue. The behavior guideline also states "Such behavior, wherever it occurs, is highly disruptive and can lead to a block or ban." Please withdrawal the nomination and cease this disruptive approach. If you want to change WP:NGRIDIRON then you should discuss it there, not by continuing to nominate articles for AFD in the hopes that others come to your point of view.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- By the way, I might end up agreeing with the point that #1 for
WP:NGRIDIRON should be amended/adjusted/deleted/or something... but this is not the way to get that done.--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
05:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- @
Paulmcdonald: FWIW, the start of
WP:NSPORTS does say:
conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept.
— Bagumba ( talk) 15:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- @
Paulmcdonald: FWIW, the start of
WP:NSPORTS does say:
- Which goes to show this is an absurdly low rule. This guy clearly has not had significant coverage, so we should just delete the article.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
04:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment @ Johnpacklambert: The AfD should either be withdrawn or a new rationale given. The nomination is incorrect in stating that he "never actually played a professional game."— Bagumba ( talk) 15:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- I still say delete. He does not meet high level coverage, and just playing a few games should not always lead to an article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as a straight-up WP:NGRIDIRON pass. Sources linked to in the article confirm that Long played in the NFL. Yet another bad/ POINTY/no WP:BEFORE sports-related AfD nomination from this particular user. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 00:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Contrary to the nom, reliable sources show that he did play professional games, and so passes WP:NGRIDIRON. Rlendog ( talk) 15:04, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Obviously passes WP:NGRIDIRON. Ridiculous, WP:POINT-y nomination from a user with a lengthy history of such behavior. Smartyllama ( talk) 15:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:GRIDIRON. With the slightest grain of fairness to the nominator, the article did not clearly demonstrate this when it was nominated and now does thanks to work done by PaulMcDonald. The research is easily done, so there's no excuse for the nomination – but there's been a couple times where I've missed a SNG being passed at AfC because it wasn't obvious from either the article, the references in the article, or from a quick search. SportingFlyer T· C 19:28, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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